I am really afraid the popularity of Donald Trump, is going to cause the Democrat candidate, no matter who it is, to be our next president. I am afraid, our party is going to split, and people will not vote, or vote for a third party, to show their disgust, for Trump being the candidate, or not being the candidate, and the Demo will walk right into the White House. I really hope our party can get their act together, get everyone on the same page, and put the best person on the ballot. I don't know who our best person is. I really do not believe Trump can beat Hillary, and maybe not Bernie. His being blunt really helped him at first, but now it is hurting him. Some of the battles he is picking now, are not helping gain him any points. Cruz has his good points, and not so good points. John Kasich is a joke. My first pick, when the debates started, were Carly and Christy. Don't flame me. When they dropped out, I went for Rubio. Don't flame me. Before he dropped out, I went for Trump. In the past week, or so, I think I am going tor Cruz. I think he is the only chance we have to beat whoever they run. On a side note, my vote does not matter, as I live in the Republic of Illinois, (don't flame me), and the State of Chicago will always go Demo, Dead or Alive. How sad.
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It doesn't matter. Trump has already blown it up. Even if Trump doesn't get the nomination, Hillary's probably going to be the next president. No way will America elect Ted Cruz. The America that could have elected Ted Cruz has been gone for a long time.
The republican party has been splitting for years. I split from it well over a decade ago. I hadn't thought it would snowball this fast, but, as usual, I was wrong.
There is a segment of the American population that is very angry, and they have the justification to be so. For decades we have not been able to achieve a balanced budget. Most on the right blame a lack of spending cuts. Most on the left blame the lack of increased revenue. I believe, regrettably, we need both. My difference with the right is that I want to see massive military cuts along with other items. My difference with the left is that when we have increased revenue I don't want to see it going to government programs, but rather toward paying down the debt AND reducing unfunded liabilities.
When I took a history class we were taught that there are basically two (2) causes of revolution. The first is the most easy to understand - sheer human misery. We saw this in the Russian revolution in 1917. The second is less understandable on the surface, but equally causal - a lack of speedy progress. We saw this in our own revolution. We were taxed less than the average British citizen. We were living to an extremely high standard in the empire, yet we saw only limitless potential westward bound AND reforms were desired amongst the colonies right now! When the progress didn't come fast enough for our liking we revolted.
I believe a similar situation is happening within the republican party. There is a groundswell movement that wants reform faster than the party leadership is able and/or willing to bend to this desire. As such, they are facing a revolution within the party. There is no way this reform is going to be ameliorated, and the party machine is struggling futilely to do so. The party machine is being pulled between two (2) diametrically opposed forces. The first is the groundswell of reform and the second is the special interest lobbyists. One has to win. One will lose. Not 100% of course, but a shift in power is inevitable. Either the status quo of special interests will once and for all crush the reform movement showing them how feeble they are or the grass roots movement will compel their party to shift their position, on a good number of things. Trump is the embodiment of the the grass roots giving their leadership the bird.
The next several election cycles will show either an empowering entrenchment of the republican status quo or a fundamental shift in their actual goals and priorities. Either that or the party will have significant chunks break off to other parties, such as I did long ago.
As I have mentioned in other posts the democrats are facing the same challenge, it just isn't as mature as the republican "reform" movement. Twenty years ago someone like Bernie Sanders would have never made it as far as he has. Today, he is actually challenging one of the most powerful political names in the democratic party. That isn't just a dislike of Hillary. This is the slow maturation of the Occupy Wall Street movement. The only difference is that the Tea Party movement began a few years before the OWS movement, so it is a little more mature in its growth stage.
One of the core problems may be growing out of a good thing. We as a society have matured. We realize that there aren't just two (2) different sides to a problem. We may have learned that it isn't all or nothing, that it isn't either / or in many situations. We are more thoughtful as a society. This then undermines the currently existing two (2) party system.
Where this will take us could be really good or really bad. In truth, it will probably be somewhere in the middle.
Regards,
Doug
There is a segment of the American population that is very angry, and they have the justification to be so. For decades we have not been able to achieve a balanced budget. Most on the right blame a lack of spending cuts. Most on the left blame the lack of increased revenue. I believe, regrettably, we need both. My difference with the right is that I want to see massive military cuts along with other items. My difference with the left is that when we have increased revenue I don't want to see it going to government programs, but rather toward paying down the debt AND reducing unfunded liabilities.
When I took a history class we were taught that there are basically two (2) causes of revolution. The first is the most easy to understand - sheer human misery. We saw this in the Russian revolution in 1917. The second is less understandable on the surface, but equally causal - a lack of speedy progress. We saw this in our own revolution. We were taxed less than the average British citizen. We were living to an extremely high standard in the empire, yet we saw only limitless potential westward bound AND reforms were desired amongst the colonies right now! When the progress didn't come fast enough for our liking we revolted.
I believe a similar situation is happening within the republican party. There is a groundswell movement that wants reform faster than the party leadership is able and/or willing to bend to this desire. As such, they are facing a revolution within the party. There is no way this reform is going to be ameliorated, and the party machine is struggling futilely to do so. The party machine is being pulled between two (2) diametrically opposed forces. The first is the groundswell of reform and the second is the special interest lobbyists. One has to win. One will lose. Not 100% of course, but a shift in power is inevitable. Either the status quo of special interests will once and for all crush the reform movement showing them how feeble they are or the grass roots movement will compel their party to shift their position, on a good number of things. Trump is the embodiment of the the grass roots giving their leadership the bird.
The next several election cycles will show either an empowering entrenchment of the republican status quo or a fundamental shift in their actual goals and priorities. Either that or the party will have significant chunks break off to other parties, such as I did long ago.
As I have mentioned in other posts the democrats are facing the same challenge, it just isn't as mature as the republican "reform" movement. Twenty years ago someone like Bernie Sanders would have never made it as far as he has. Today, he is actually challenging one of the most powerful political names in the democratic party. That isn't just a dislike of Hillary. This is the slow maturation of the Occupy Wall Street movement. The only difference is that the Tea Party movement began a few years before the OWS movement, so it is a little more mature in its growth stage.
One of the core problems may be growing out of a good thing. We as a society have matured. We realize that there aren't just two (2) different sides to a problem. We may have learned that it isn't all or nothing, that it isn't either / or in many situations. We are more thoughtful as a society. This then undermines the currently existing two (2) party system.
Where this will take us could be really good or really bad. In truth, it will probably be somewhere in the middle.
Regards,
Doug
Obviously, I'm no 'prophet'. But seems to me that the way the momentum is now (seemingly) shifting in the GOP race.... we will end up with an open (or contested) convention. I can see the distinct possibility that we end up with Cruz as the GOP nominee.
On the Dem side, I honestly believe we'll see Hillary indicted by A.G. Lynch at the recommendation of FBI director Comey... and that will leave them with Sanders.
If all of that falls in place, many Dems will stay home on Election Day, and we'll send Ted Cruz to the White House. *Especially if his V.P. running mate is Carly Fiorina, or Rick Perry.
On the Dem side, I honestly believe we'll see Hillary indicted by A.G. Lynch at the recommendation of FBI director Comey... and that will leave them with Sanders.
If all of that falls in place, many Dems will stay home on Election Day, and we'll send Ted Cruz to the White House. *Especially if his V.P. running mate is Carly Fiorina, or Rick Perry.
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I'm with ya, he's gonna beet the juice outa her..
I have written this before on this forum, and I believe it: Trump loses this election for the Republicans.
Despite what the "conservative news" machine churns out day after day the country that elected Obama twice has not moved to the right a single step in the last eight years. There is no popular "backlash" against him or his policies outside the ever-shrinking right wing bubble. Trump isn't even really a conservative, he is a panderer. Listen to what he says on any issue...everything is a dumbed down sound byte lacking in both substance and sincerity. You are being played, and it will cost all of us dearly.
Whatever it is that is driving Trump's popularity now, during primary season, will not serve him when the general election comes.
Clinton and Sanders both have "experience". Both "know how to work within the system to get things done". When primary season is over, the media will paint the Democratic candidate as the "Only Adult in the Room". Places like Florida, Michigan, California, and Ohio will fall "blue", and an electoral college victory for the Democrats is all but assured.
The country as a whole has grown tired of what the Republicans are feeding them: a steady diet of "Trickle-Up" crony capitalism economics capped with a healthy serving of old-world fundamentalist bigotry wrapped up as a "Social Platform". It looks bad, it smells bad, it tastes bad...it is bad.
Republicans need to get back to offering an actual difference to what the Democrats offer: A smaller, more responsive Federal government that allows more individual choice in how people live their own lives...not: "Be rich and white and Christian or be damned". Believe it or not, that is the message your party sends the rest of us...
...Trump included. And that's why he's the loser here.
Be careful what you guys are asking for...because right now you are asking for at least four more years of a Democrat Executive.
Despite what the "conservative news" machine churns out day after day the country that elected Obama twice has not moved to the right a single step in the last eight years. There is no popular "backlash" against him or his policies outside the ever-shrinking right wing bubble. Trump isn't even really a conservative, he is a panderer. Listen to what he says on any issue...everything is a dumbed down sound byte lacking in both substance and sincerity. You are being played, and it will cost all of us dearly.
Whatever it is that is driving Trump's popularity now, during primary season, will not serve him when the general election comes.
Clinton and Sanders both have "experience". Both "know how to work within the system to get things done". When primary season is over, the media will paint the Democratic candidate as the "Only Adult in the Room". Places like Florida, Michigan, California, and Ohio will fall "blue", and an electoral college victory for the Democrats is all but assured.
The country as a whole has grown tired of what the Republicans are feeding them: a steady diet of "Trickle-Up" crony capitalism economics capped with a healthy serving of old-world fundamentalist bigotry wrapped up as a "Social Platform". It looks bad, it smells bad, it tastes bad...it is bad.
Republicans need to get back to offering an actual difference to what the Democrats offer: A smaller, more responsive Federal government that allows more individual choice in how people live their own lives...not: "Be rich and white and Christian or be damned". Believe it or not, that is the message your party sends the rest of us...
...Trump included. And that's why he's the loser here.
Be careful what you guys are asking for...because right now you are asking for at least four more years of a Democrat Executive.
Scottiedog422
Plinker
I hate to say it but a contested convention for the republicans could be the best result. I don't think Trump is electable and conservatives need a viable candidate to counter the liberal machine.
The machine that runs this country sells laws and regulation to the groups and individuals who can afford it. That aspect of the system will not change regardless of who wins the election this fall. Much of Trump's support is coming from the despair felt by a great many people who feel short changed by this form of government, but this group gets smaller every year, displaced by people who draw their economic sustenance from tax dollars either directly or indirectly. They are voting in greater numbers in the primaries now seeing Trump as some sort of messiah because he's framed in an easily consumed reality tv format, but those numbers will have to go way up. He also does well when when people compare him to his competition which all comes across as the same old stuff that keeps the same old uniparty system in charge.
A general definition of each party, the Republicans are for the rich. The democrats are for the poor. The question I have is, who is looking out for the middle class? The answer of course is no one.
Trump has shown, to both parties, the real anger of the middle class. The middle class is very worried about the future. The powers that be are also worried. Between a Supreme Court nominee and a Presidential election this country stands to change the way Americans live for decades. Rich, in the middle or poor, each one of us understands this.
I believe with every fiber in my body the Republican convention is going to make 1968 Chicago Democratic convention riots look like a warm up game.
The days of equal rights are gone. now there are only special rights for special segments of society.
Not sure if you are a X or Y, doesn't matter use either bathroom.
Not sure if you are Black, White, Native American, or Asian, doesn't matter, pick one and then adopt the culture and call it yours.
Not sure you can live on minimum wage, scream for $15.00 an hour.
Not sure if you can afford birth control, go before a Congressional hearing.
The list is longer but my point is made. The middle class doesn't have time to burn communities down, protest at City Hall or the Supreme court, call for this or that offensive monument to be removed. We only have time to make a living. 8, 10, 12, 14 hours a day the middle class is working. Working to better not only their life but for their children. The harder you work, the more the rich steal to give freely to the poor.
That is the middle class anger that Trump has tapped into.
Sidebar......... not a R, D or I. I have know idea who I would vote for in the General Election.
Trump has shown, to both parties, the real anger of the middle class. The middle class is very worried about the future. The powers that be are also worried. Between a Supreme Court nominee and a Presidential election this country stands to change the way Americans live for decades. Rich, in the middle or poor, each one of us understands this.
I believe with every fiber in my body the Republican convention is going to make 1968 Chicago Democratic convention riots look like a warm up game.
The days of equal rights are gone. now there are only special rights for special segments of society.
Not sure if you are a X or Y, doesn't matter use either bathroom.
Not sure if you are Black, White, Native American, or Asian, doesn't matter, pick one and then adopt the culture and call it yours.
Not sure you can live on minimum wage, scream for $15.00 an hour.
Not sure if you can afford birth control, go before a Congressional hearing.
The list is longer but my point is made. The middle class doesn't have time to burn communities down, protest at City Hall or the Supreme court, call for this or that offensive monument to be removed. We only have time to make a living. 8, 10, 12, 14 hours a day the middle class is working. Working to better not only their life but for their children. The harder you work, the more the rich steal to give freely to the poor.
That is the middle class anger that Trump has tapped into.
Sidebar......... not a R, D or I. I have know idea who I would vote for in the General Election.
The only thing I can disagree with in this post is that I know exactly who I will be voting for, I will be voting for the person that runs against HRC.
Trump isn't going to win because of feelz.
the Republican Party is probably done for presidential elections. They will continue to win in local and congressional elections.
You can't run against Santa Claus. And the GOP can't win without the religious right. And independents and so called blue dog democrats will never vote red because of the religious right. Look at what happened with mike pence. He should easily be able win reelection. But since he catered to the religious mafia with that stupid RFRA law, now he's fighting it out.
Get ready for the FSA to be the deciding voting block.
MisterChester
Master
If the Republicans want to win the White House this year, then Cruz and Kasich must back out and endorse Trump. Kasich isn't popular enough. Cruz is an unelectable member of the religious right. Trump is the only candidate with a real grassroots system and support from the middle class. No one cares about the stuff Cruz cares about. No one likes the party elite. Trump is the only one who can put up a real fight. If it's a contested convention, and Trump doesn't get it, the party effectively cucked itself to the democrats and we'll have a Hillary presidency. We'll see a map of blue on election night if Ted Scruz is the republican. The question is do you want to hand it to Hillary before it started or do you want a serious chance?
Mostly I agree, especially that the country isn't moving back to the Right. However, there is some evidence that the left has shifted beyond the Overton Window. We're seeing liberals ridiculing progressives who are too far left. So there is at least the pendulum is starting to encounter some pretty tough resistance.
Also, I wouldn't say that its' "Republicans" who are feeding people a steady diet of "Truckle-Up" crony capitalism. Democrats, even the pissy socialists like Sanders, do this too. He's quite alright with the Green Industrial Complex.
The difference is only the set of industries that benefit. Big Bil, Military Industrial Complex, and banking top the industries that benefit from Republican cronyism. Insurance companies, Green Industrial Complex, Big Labor and banking benefit from Democrats.
Also, "Be rich and white and Christian or be damned" if there is any truth to that, it's because the individual factions of the party, working for their own pet issues, make that the aggregate result. It's like saying all Democrats are union ho's. They tend to be pro-union but they're not all ho's.
Same here
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