Realtor.com goes woke, eliminates crime data overlay from their maps.

[Timjoebillybob]

Not sure what this has to do with edicts from HUD…

Realtors lobby the congress critters who are supposed to oversee HUD or the bureaucrats who run it to put the edicts in place. What's that saying that that Leadnose or whatever guy says? Follow something or another?

 

[Ingomike]

Realtors lobby the congress critters who are supposed to oversee HUD or the bureaucrats who run it to put the edicts in place. What's that saying that that Leadnose or whatever guy says? Follow something or another?

What alternative universe do you live in? Do the congress critters oversee the ATF? LOL

 

[Timjoebillybob]

What alternative universe do you live in? Do the congress critters oversee the ATF? LOL

Do the congress critters control the purse strings? Doesn't congress have the authority to investigate and oversee? How many hearings lately have had Fauci and others being brought in?

And also completely ignores the possibility of them lobbying the bureaucrats that run it and set the rules.

 

[Ingomike]

Do the congress critters control the purse strings? Doesn't congress have the authority to investigate and oversee? How many hearings lately have had Fauci and others being brought in?

And also completely ignores the possibility of them lobbying the bureaucrats that run it and set the rules.

Who controls congress. Just who are you trying to blame for this?

 

[dieselrealtor]

From my experience, NAR represents Realtors as self serving as Congress represents us.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Who controls congress. Just who are you trying to blame for this?

We are supposed to control congress, unfortunately IMO we don't anymore. And not blaming anyone, agreeing with BBI that it may not be a "woke" decision but a cash one.

 

[Ingomike]

We are supposed to control congress, unfortunately IMO we don't anymore. And not blaming anyone, agreeing with BBI that it may not be a "woke" decision but a cash one.

And who is cashing in on this?

 

[Timjoebillybob]

And who is cashing in on this?

Please follow along. This is the post that started this, the one you replied to.

I'm just guessing, but I wonder if the certain group is "realtors" and the concern is that crime ridden properties are harder to sell. Harder to sell means longer waits for smaller commissions and more work to get it.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Don't think not being a Realtor eliminates this. This comes straight from HUD and the other usual suspects and applies to all real estate agents.

What comes straight from HUD? Nothing in their press release or magazine indicates a mandate, it's their own decision along with Redfin who started it.

Realtor.com, Redfin Remove Crime Data on Listings

Information about crime listed on real estate websites is coming under fire as some firms say it can perpetuate racial inequity.

magazine.realtor

Realtor.com and Redfin are taking a stand against crime data being listed on their websites. The real estate companies have removed the data due to growing concerns that it could perpetuate racial inequity.
Realtor.com announced that it has removed its crime map from all search results to “level the playing field.” It is reassessing what safety means to buyers and renters and what information they decide to share about it going forward on realtor.com.

https://headlinewealth.com/realtor-com-redfin-remove-racist-crime-statistics-from-listings/ (Which is a repost of a subscription only article elsewhere:

Both companies said they were concerned the statistics promoted racial bias and may not be reliable.

“We know that one of these questions [buyers have] is whether they’ll feel safe in a given home or neighborhood,” Chief Growth Officer Christian Taubman wrote in a blog post on the company’s site Monday.

“But the data available don’t allow us to speak accurately to that question, and given the long history of redlining and racist housing covenants in the United States there’s too great a risk of this inaccuracy reinforcing racial bias.”

Trulia still has crime data.

 

[Ingomike]

What comes straight from HUD? Nothing in their press release or magazine indicates a mandate, it's their own decision along with Redfin who started it.

Realtor.com, Redfin Remove Crime Data on Listings

Information about crime listed on real estate websites is coming under fire as some firms say it can perpetuate racial inequity.

magazine.realtor

https://headlinewealth.com/realtor-com-redfin-remove-racist-crime-statistics-from-listings/ (Which is a repost of a subscription only article elsewhere:



Trulia still has crime data.

Trulia is not Realtor affiliated…

 

[Ingomike]

Please follow along. This is the post that started this, the one you replied to.

So you are accusing the independent agents of conspiring to hide crime data through their national organization to sell houses to unsuspecting consumers. Talk about conspiracy theorists…

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Trulia is not Realtor affiliated…

I'm not following your argument here. HUD is mandating Realtor do this but not competitors? What exactly do you think HUD's involvement in this is since you keep saying it's a government mandate.

 

[Ingomike]

I'm not following your argument here. HUD is mandating Realtor do this but not competitors? What exactly do you think HUD's involvement in this is since you keep saying it's a government mandate.

Trulia is not in the real estate business, not a competitor, strictly advertising. HUD is constantly telling the real estate industry what to do, probably not the way that your search’s will find.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

So you are accusing the independent agents of conspiring to hide crime data through their national organization to sell houses to unsuspecting consumers. Talk about conspiracy theorists…

Independent agents? Maybe/maybe not. The national organization? Again maybe/maybe not. And I didn't accuse anyone, once again simply agreeing with BBI's speculation.

And are you saying companies/orgs wouldn't do such a thing? I'm pretty sure I've seen you in some of the vaccine threads. Hell some of the vaccine companies have employees that are literally on the govt payroll helping investigate said vaccines... Hell what is the entire purpose of hiring lobbyists? Isn't it to get legislative/bureaucratic results that favor their employers? Whether that employer is the NRA/NAR/Pfizer/etc. Heck the same goes for when you or I write a letter to our respective congress critters either state or fed.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

What comes straight from HUD? Nothing in their press release or magazine indicates a mandate, it's their own decision along with Redfin who started it.

Realtor.com, Redfin Remove Crime Data on Listings

Information about crime listed on real estate websites is coming under fire as some firms say it can perpetuate racial inequity.

magazine.realtor

https://headlinewealth.com/realtor-com-redfin-remove-racist-crime-statistics-from-listings/ (Which is a repost of a subscription only article elsewhere:



Trulia still has crime data.

"Realtor.com and Redfin are taking a stand against crime data being listed on their websites. The real estate companies have removed the data due to growing concerns that it could perpetuate racial inequity."

Whether they know it or not, they have basically implied that all high crime areas are predominantly inhabited by a particular race. Is that not racist in and of itself? Crime statistics in and of themselves are racially neutral.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Trulia is not in the real estate business, not a competitor, strictly advertising. HUD is constantly telling the real estate industry what to do, probably not the way that your search’s will find.

So realtor.com and redfin are lying about the why and it's a government mandate that will affect all real estate agents but not listing sites? Ok.

 

[xwing]

Of course. Because how dare people prefer to live in lower crime areas. More liberal companies suppressing the truth as they usually do.

 

[Onebad06vtx]

The world we live in!
Remember its us against them.
Remember that the next time you vote for a democrat!

 

[Ingomike]

So realtor.com and redfin are lying about the why and it's a government mandate that will affect all real estate agents but not listing sites? Ok.

I can tell you that the real estate industry are and always have been terrified of the feds. They fear losing their independent contractor status and the feds interpretation of anti trust as it applies to them. It does not take a even a “mandate” to get the industry to do their bidding, Just a hey we are now interpreting this clause this way now and they follow. Remember as DieselR pointed out the leadership is likely left leaning anyway. They have never stood up to the feds…

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I can tell you that the real estate industry are and always have been terrified of the feds. They fear losing their independent contractor status and the feds interpretation of anti trust as it applies to them. It does not take a even a “mandate” to get the industry to do their bidding, Just a hey we are now interpreting this clause this way now and they follow. Remember as DieselR pointed out the leadership is likely left leaning anyway. They have never stood up to the feds…

Fun. Still nothing indicates it's a 'government mandate' other than your general boogieman fears. Maybe your HOA told them to do it.