Review: Contact Concealment OWB Holster

[Gabriel]

By the Way the holster is excellent

What holster?

What is this thread about again?

 

[Gabriel]

Keep in mind that the issue isn't whether or not a holster maker needs a FFL... its whether they can possess someone's firearm without the owner on premesis without an FFL.

Since you are the only one that seems to see an issue, hopefully you can enlighten us with the facts if you happen to come across them.

 

[CTS]

I tried looking through the US firearms code... but sheesh...talk about a lot of pages! Still working on a definitive answer.

Keep in mind that the issue isn't whether or not a holster maker needs a FFL... its whether they can possess someone's firearm without the owner on premesis without an FFL.

Unless you have some proof to the contrary all you've done is derail a review thread with inaccurate FUD because you decided to post your "opinion" of the law instead of posting something factually based, which is actually damaging to the cause of firearms ownership. Moreover the accusation that this was in any way illegal really doesn't pass the sniff test, I let friends borrow guns to go to the range, and that's a lot more activity than what is essentially measuring the gun. You shouldn't ever post what you think is true until you KNOW it's true as fact.

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

DISCUSSION board...

FACT: A gunsmith needs an FFL to keep a person's gun without the owner being present. This is whether any work is actually performed on the gun or not.

FACT: Lending a gun to a buddy is perfectly legal.

What I'm trying to nail down: Whether or not a holster maker (operating as such as a business, even a side business) might need one in order to possess someone's firearm without them being present / overnight.

And yes, I've done a fantastic job of derailing this thread. Mea culpa.

 

[Roadie]

Whew, really had to break out the INGO search-fu, but here you go:

You will have to have an FFL, and if doing business in IN will have to have a Tax ID.
From the ATFE website

Q: Is a license needed to engage in the business of engraving, customizing, refinishing or repairing firearms? Yes. A person conducting such activities as a business is considered to be a gunsmith within the definition of a dealer.
[27 CFR 478.11]
Q: Does a gunsmith need to enter in a permanent “bound book” record every firearm received for adjustment or repair? If a firearm is brought in for repairs and the owner waits while it is being repaired or if the gunsmith is able to return the firearm to the owner during the same business day, it is not necessary to list the firearm in the “bound book” as an “acquisition.” If the gunsmith has possession of the firearm from one business day to another or longer, the firearm must be recorded as an “acquisition” and a “disposition” in the permanent "bound book" record.
Q: Is an ATF Form 4473 required when a gunsmith returns a repaired firearm? No, provided the firearm is returned to the person from whom it was received.
[27 CFR 478.124(a)]

https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/general_firearms_discussion/89321-gunsmith_license.html

DISCUSSION board...

FACT: A gunsmith needs an FFL to keep a person's gun without the owner being present. This is whether any work is actually performed on the gun or not.

FACT: Lending a gun to a buddy is perfectly legal.

What I'm trying to nail down: Whether or not a holster maker (operating as such as a business, even a side business) might need one in order to possess someone's firearm without them being present / overnight.

And yes, I've done a fantastic job of derailing this thread. Mea culpa.

 

[CTS]

Saying a holster maker is a gun smith is like saying the guy who built your garage is a mechanic.

 

[Dirtebiker]

DISCUSSION board...

FACT: A gunsmith needs an FFL to keep a person's gun without the owner being present. This is whether any work is actually performed on the gun or not.

FACT: Lending a gun to a buddy is perfectly legal.

What I'm trying to nail down: Whether or not a holster maker (operating as such as a business, even a side business) might need one in order to possess someone's firearm without them being present / overnight.

And yes, I've done a fantastic job of derailing this thread. Mea culpa.

If the guy was working on the gun, yes to the FFL! Not working on the gun, just possessing it, IMO, NO FFL!

 

[Dirtebiker]

Saying a holster maker is a gun smith is like saying the guy who built your garage is a mechanic.

Yes, but is it illegal for the garage builder to keep your car overnight to make sure it will fit in the garage? I heard somewhere that is illegal.

 

[millsusaf]

When I got started making Kydex, I called the ATF office in Indy. What they told me was that since I am not gunsmithing the gun, and only using it to make holsters with, that I would not need a FFL.

This, anything else is internet BS.

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

What I'm trying to nail down: Whether or not a holster maker (operating as such as a business, even a side business) might need one in order to possess someone's firearm without them being present / overnight.

Still working

 

[BravoMike]

Still working

English common law is that if the law doesn't exist it's legal!

Let us know what you find or don't find.

 

[jesse485]

Nice holster, you'll have to bring it by soon.