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If you really think we should have supported that goddamned enemy of the republic, you really need to rethink your stand on the Constitution, starting with the Second Amendment.
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Richard Mourdock compares U.S. economic woes to Nazi Germany
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If you really think we should have supported that goddamned enemy of the republic, you really need to rethink your stand on the Constitution, starting with the Second Amendment.
Care to enlighten us how anyone anywhere on INGO or in the article defined what Mourdock said to this specification?
Again, no one's saying that.
Yep.
^THIS
Mourdock isn't saying that the populist direction we're heading will lead to Naziism. He's saying that a public capable of falling for populist politicians without really understanding the politicians themselves, leave it only to chance that once in power, that person won't move the nation towards tyranny.
We elected a community organizer, for cryin' out loud. He told America the things he thought America wanted to hear, and it worked. He had no scalable experience managing anything. He was elected on little more than a slew of populist promises, the sum of which were billed as "hope and change" and most of which he has broken, and he offered the opportunity for America to show it is capable of electing a Black President. I watched the Charlie Rose interview where he marveled that we're about to elect the first black president and we know nothing about him; and we really didn't seem to care.
The point is, if we're such sheep that we're capable of electing a president on such weak reasoning, are we capable of electing a well spoken tyrant?
I think a lot of you want to see a boogie man in what Mourdock said. But the boogie man you think you see is only made of straw.
Right!!!! Well said!
From Andrew Horning's Facebook page:
Obama, Hitler, And Exploding The Biggest Lie In History - Forbes
Obama, Hitler, And Exploding The Biggest Lie In History - Forbes
Here is the transcript of the full speech. The out-of-context one-liner didn't paint a very honest or accurate picture of what he was saying. D-Day remembrance was fresh in everyone's minds and he examined “how did it ever happen?” The answer led back to Germany's unchecked national debt.
It was a fair point, IMO.
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Transcript of speech by Richard Mourdock to the 2014 Indiana Republican State Convention on June 7, 2014:
Thank you, and I have to say that to come to you at the state convention to speak to you for the last time, I have very mixed emotions. On the one hand, I feel that I just started yesterday, and eight years have gone by very quickly. But even before that, many of you have mentioned to me today and last night that 12 years ago when we had a Secretary of State’s race, it was hotly contested. There were four candidates. It went to three ballots. And as I felt everyone on that occasion, everyone walked away from that race was a personal friend. One of them now serves as a state senator, Mike Delph. The other, my friend, the other “T.R.” other than Teddy Roosevelt, Todd Rokita, serves as Congressman. My point for mentioning that, of course, is that even when there are contested races, they can work for good.
It’s I guess normal and customary, for someone coming as a politician before you for the last time, to give you the quick speech, and stick that personal pronoun “I” in a hundred times to say all the great things that were accomplished. I hope you don’t mind, but, that’s not my style. My record, I hink, speaks for itself.
But I would like to do what I’ve enjoyed most over the last 8 years, which is share a couple of thoughts of history with you. Not just ___ today and not Teddy Roosevelt, either. But I’m going to follow kind of “Professor Long” and Speaker Bosma’s history lesson, with another. And it does relate to yesterday, that 70 might be seeing those black and white images of those landing boats, but to bring up two other points.
Number one, I remember an interview that I saw 30 years ago, when President Ronald Reagan stood at Normandy,... by the way, speaking of Googling something, if you want to be reminded why a great president speaking on the great virtues of America, Google the speech of Ronald Reagan of the 39 he had sitting in front of him an aging group of veterans that he called “the Boys of Pointe du Hoc”____ one of them was interviewed ____ he was 80 years old, telling the story of D*-Day, of months of training, he was 18 years old. And there was one particular soldier in that group of Rangers with him, who was two or three years older, and he saw him as the epitome of a soldier. He tried to emulate everything he did. He had maturity. He had, he was certain, the courage, skills. And he decided he was going to stay close to that man, because he could learn a great deal. And then, while it was still dark, and they were on a cargo ship in the English Channel, the Claxton went off and a voice came over the PA system, and it said simply, “Rangers to the boats, to the boats.” And he looked at this person that he idolized as this brave man, and he watched as the color drained out of his face and he turned white with fear. And he said he realized right there that he knew they were going to have a tough day. And indeed they did. Two hundred and fifty Rangers from that unit headed to Pointe du Hoc. Forty-*eight hours later only 19 survived.
I put that image in front of you, but I have to tell you as a history buff, the thing I thought of yesterday was, “how did it ever happen?” Not that day, because the war in Europe didn’t start that day, and I tell you it didn’t start in September 1939 in the blitzkrieg of Poland either. The war really began in 1936, when the Democratic Republic of Germany freely elected, elected, Adolf Hitler and his party that would lead the world to such doom. And in the 21 every right to look back and say, “what the hell were they thinking! Why did they do it?” And this is where I pull out my State Treasurer’s hat and for just a moment to give the most important lesson. The people of Germany in a free election, elected the Nazi Party because they made great promises that would appeal to them because they were desperate and destitute. And why is that? Because Germany was bankrupt. If you can imagine it was sad – get ready for this huge number – it was $60 billion of debt. $60 billion. And the government did what all governments do when they approach bankruptcy, they started to devalue their currency and started printing Deutsch Marks so fast that billfolds and wallets had to be replaced with suitcases and wheelbarrows. They were desperate, and they heard the promises. The promises of entitlements. And they grabbed hold of them.
Over the next several years, every time the program started falling apart, Mr. Hitler’s party was very very good at dividing Germany by pointing the blame at this group or that group. First, they went after their political opponents. Then they went after the aristocrats. Then they went after the trade unionists. And ultimately, of course, they went after the Jews. They deprived them of their property, their rights, their citizenship, and for millions their humanity. Because they were bankrupt!
And hence the most important lesson that I have to share with you. We gather as a party, as Mr. Bosma said, not just to come together to nominate people or to have a platform, but to speak to freedom. We’ve been doing it every even year since 1854. But I ask you, to not just do your duty today and think you’ve done the task of citizenship. Because citizenship doesn’t end in this room and it doesn’t mean cast that vote. Your citizenship should require you to talk to your friends and your neighbors about the concerns you have for this great country.
Because the truth is, seventy years later, we are drifting on the tide to another beachhead, and it is the bankruptcy of the United States of America. Now I know some of you, especially probably guests in the room, are thinking, “well, there’s a wild*eyed Republican speaking craziness.” Let me tell you, it was the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for Barack Obama who said, “the greatest threat to America is not the Talaban. It’s not al*Qaeda. It is not a resurgence of Russia. It is our own national debt.” It was Bill Clinton’s chief economic advisor that not long ago when poised in the possibility that we might go bankrupt that said, “there’s nothing so certainly possible.”
We are in a grave situation. My last duty to you as a Republican at this convention is to ask you to influence everyone you know in this state about it. It was once that great Republican, that head of the Office of Management and Budget, Mitch Daniels –you might remember that name – when testifying before Congress he said, “Self-*governing takes self*-discipline.” It does. What we have seen in Indiana in generating the surpluses that David Long and Brian [Bosma] spoke about, was an act of incredible self*discipline. It was saying “no” to people who wanted more funds from government. And they did the courageous thing. We must seek, that the policies of our state, as administered by Governor Pence today, become the national model, not something just isolated here in the Midwest. My friends, there’s a battle ahead [applause]... there’s a battle ahead for the public will, that all of us are sending, “To The Boats!” It’s time.
Thank You.
It was a fair point, IMO.
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Transcript of speech by Richard Mourdock to the 2014 Indiana Republican State Convention on June 7, 2014:
Thank you, and I have to say that to come to you at the state convention to speak to you for the last time, I have very mixed emotions. On the one hand, I feel that I just started yesterday, and eight years have gone by very quickly. But even before that, many of you have mentioned to me today and last night that 12 years ago when we had a Secretary of State’s race, it was hotly contested. There were four candidates. It went to three ballots. And as I felt everyone on that occasion, everyone walked away from that race was a personal friend. One of them now serves as a state senator, Mike Delph. The other, my friend, the other “T.R.” other than Teddy Roosevelt, Todd Rokita, serves as Congressman. My point for mentioning that, of course, is that even when there are contested races, they can work for good.
It’s I guess normal and customary, for someone coming as a politician before you for the last time, to give you the quick speech, and stick that personal pronoun “I” in a hundred times to say all the great things that were accomplished. I hope you don’t mind, but, that’s not my style. My record, I hink, speaks for itself.
But I would like to do what I’ve enjoyed most over the last 8 years, which is share a couple of thoughts of history with you. Not just ___ today and not Teddy Roosevelt, either. But I’m going to follow kind of “Professor Long” and Speaker Bosma’s history lesson, with another. And it does relate to yesterday, that 70 might be seeing those black and white images of those landing boats, but to bring up two other points.
Number one, I remember an interview that I saw 30 years ago, when President Ronald Reagan stood at Normandy,... by the way, speaking of Googling something, if you want to be reminded why a great president speaking on the great virtues of America, Google the speech of Ronald Reagan of the 39 he had sitting in front of him an aging group of veterans that he called “the Boys of Pointe du Hoc”____ one of them was interviewed ____ he was 80 years old, telling the story of D*-Day, of months of training, he was 18 years old. And there was one particular soldier in that group of Rangers with him, who was two or three years older, and he saw him as the epitome of a soldier. He tried to emulate everything he did. He had maturity. He had, he was certain, the courage, skills. And he decided he was going to stay close to that man, because he could learn a great deal. And then, while it was still dark, and they were on a cargo ship in the English Channel, the Claxton went off and a voice came over the PA system, and it said simply, “Rangers to the boats, to the boats.” And he looked at this person that he idolized as this brave man, and he watched as the color drained out of his face and he turned white with fear. And he said he realized right there that he knew they were going to have a tough day. And indeed they did. Two hundred and fifty Rangers from that unit headed to Pointe du Hoc. Forty-*eight hours later only 19 survived.
I put that image in front of you, but I have to tell you as a history buff, the thing I thought of yesterday was, “how did it ever happen?” Not that day, because the war in Europe didn’t start that day, and I tell you it didn’t start in September 1939 in the blitzkrieg of Poland either. The war really began in 1936, when the Democratic Republic of Germany freely elected, elected, Adolf Hitler and his party that would lead the world to such doom. And in the 21 every right to look back and say, “what the hell were they thinking! Why did they do it?” And this is where I pull out my State Treasurer’s hat and for just a moment to give the most important lesson. The people of Germany in a free election, elected the Nazi Party because they made great promises that would appeal to them because they were desperate and destitute. And why is that? Because Germany was bankrupt. If you can imagine it was sad – get ready for this huge number – it was $60 billion of debt. $60 billion. And the government did what all governments do when they approach bankruptcy, they started to devalue their currency and started printing Deutsch Marks so fast that billfolds and wallets had to be replaced with suitcases and wheelbarrows. They were desperate, and they heard the promises. The promises of entitlements. And they grabbed hold of them.
Over the next several years, every time the program started falling apart, Mr. Hitler’s party was very very good at dividing Germany by pointing the blame at this group or that group. First, they went after their political opponents. Then they went after the aristocrats. Then they went after the trade unionists. And ultimately, of course, they went after the Jews. They deprived them of their property, their rights, their citizenship, and for millions their humanity. Because they were bankrupt!
And hence the most important lesson that I have to share with you. We gather as a party, as Mr. Bosma said, not just to come together to nominate people or to have a platform, but to speak to freedom. We’ve been doing it every even year since 1854. But I ask you, to not just do your duty today and think you’ve done the task of citizenship. Because citizenship doesn’t end in this room and it doesn’t mean cast that vote. Your citizenship should require you to talk to your friends and your neighbors about the concerns you have for this great country.
Because the truth is, seventy years later, we are drifting on the tide to another beachhead, and it is the bankruptcy of the United States of America. Now I know some of you, especially probably guests in the room, are thinking, “well, there’s a wild*eyed Republican speaking craziness.” Let me tell you, it was the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for Barack Obama who said, “the greatest threat to America is not the Talaban. It’s not al*Qaeda. It is not a resurgence of Russia. It is our own national debt.” It was Bill Clinton’s chief economic advisor that not long ago when poised in the possibility that we might go bankrupt that said, “there’s nothing so certainly possible.”
We are in a grave situation. My last duty to you as a Republican at this convention is to ask you to influence everyone you know in this state about it. It was once that great Republican, that head of the Office of Management and Budget, Mitch Daniels –you might remember that name – when testifying before Congress he said, “Self-*governing takes self*-discipline.” It does. What we have seen in Indiana in generating the surpluses that David Long and Brian [Bosma] spoke about, was an act of incredible self*discipline. It was saying “no” to people who wanted more funds from government. And they did the courageous thing. We must seek, that the policies of our state, as administered by Governor Pence today, become the national model, not something just isolated here in the Midwest. My friends, there’s a battle ahead [applause]... there’s a battle ahead for the public will, that all of us are sending, “To The Boats!” It’s time.
Thank You.
I thought comparing x,y or z to nazis was the knee jerk reaction.
Lots of people do.
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What's the difference between national socialism and international socialism, really? The communists (international socialists) had their people vote for the nazis, largely because they expected to be able to take over afterward, but partly because they were actually in sympathy ideologically. Benito Mussolini himself was the editor of "socialist" (communist) newsletters prior to his ascension to rule.
The fact is, national socialism and fascism are as much a product of the left as communism. I would challenge anyone to distinguish the opinions of national socialists from those of international socialists regarding economic issues. Look them up. It was creepy to me, coming from years of propaganda telling me that naziism was of the right. I had to come to the conclusion that it's not. It makes sense now. Thinking for yourself rocks.
Comparisons between where we're going and naziism are not invalid. The communists were mistakenly ceded the "McCarthyism" card to shut down any debate challenging them; the nazis are trying for the "Godwin's law" card to shut down any comparison of, frankly anything, to naziism. There don't have to be jews (or anyone else) in ovens, per se; that is a false comparison, a strawman. Don't let them confuse you. There's the crony capitalism, the regulations forcing the "wrong sort" to do what they're told, and preventing them doing what's "not approved", etc. As people fail to comply, the requirements and punishments are increased. Rights disappear. Familiar? It should be.
The fact is, national socialism and fascism are as much a product of the left as communism. I would challenge anyone to distinguish the opinions of national socialists from those of international socialists regarding economic issues. Look them up. It was creepy to me, coming from years of propaganda telling me that naziism was of the right. I had to come to the conclusion that it's not. It makes sense now. Thinking for yourself rocks.
Comparisons between where we're going and naziism are not invalid. The communists were mistakenly ceded the "McCarthyism" card to shut down any debate challenging them; the nazis are trying for the "Godwin's law" card to shut down any comparison of, frankly anything, to naziism. There don't have to be jews (or anyone else) in ovens, per se; that is a false comparison, a strawman. Don't let them confuse you. There's the crony capitalism, the regulations forcing the "wrong sort" to do what they're told, and preventing them doing what's "not approved", etc. As people fail to comply, the requirements and punishments are increased. Rights disappear. Familiar? It should be.
Let's look at what Mourdock actually said.
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...says-nation-going-way-hitlers-nazis/10165743/
"The people of Germany in a free election selected the Nazi Party because they made great promises that appealed to them because they were desperate and destitute. And why is that? Because Germany was bankrupt,"
TRUE
"The truth is, 70 years later, we are drifting on the tides toward another beachhead and it is the bankruptcy of the United States of America."
TRUE
HIS POINT?
The idiots in BOTH parties keep moving us in the direction of bankruptcy and economic collapse.
WHEN that day comes, a desperate populace will vote for ANYBODY who promises relief from this.
THEY WON'T BE Nazis, but you can BET they'll be people who'll be TYRANTS like this country has NEVER seen before.
Look how easy it was for Obama to get elected with HIS BS promises, and we're NOWHERE NEAR the desperation the People of Germany were facing.
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Me neither.
...and what was it he said that isn't accurate? Are we upset that he is a straight talker? Heaven forbid!
Mourdock's problem is that the press has decided he needs to be taken down.
Because the ability to get elected equates to quality of representation? Ted Kennedy continually got re-elected. Obama? Re-elected. Barney Frank? Re-Elected many times. John Conyers? Re-Elected for 50 years. Charles Rangel? Re-elected for over 40 years.
Good point!
Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, Bernie Sanders, Evan Bayh, John McCain......
They are all Establishment politicians and the Establishment gets them elected because they are good for the Establishment.
People laugh but it is amazing the similarities between the inception and rise of the Nazi party. Germany was in a depression and the people were looking for a "change" economically. One sure way to boost the economy is to build war machines. Hitler knew he had to change the education system also to align with the "master race" beliefs.
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