SBR Tax Stamp in hand, need engraver

[lgvenable]

I've received my BATFE tax stamp for converting my GSG-5P to a SBR. I need to find someone in the Evansville-Newburgh area who can laser engrave or scribe (like a trophy); no stamping (uneven hand application) of my information required on my receiver.

Any suggestions from someone in my area for a reliable gunsmith who can do a bang-up engraving job just like they'd have done if it came from German Sports Guns?

As for time...86 days mailbox to mailbox. The examiner was great, and easy to work with.I'm not sure what I expected, but she was great to work with and corrected my application rather than send it back, and then gave me a summary to follow for another SBR I'm doing, as well as how to handle a suppressor application correctly.

Thanks to Brett Kruse it was easy to get in my name, forget the trust. Warrick County is a gun rights county and after my interview he told me I could get another SBR or supressor through him with no issues. So, if you're in the Evansville/Newburgh area and in the county jurisdiction you're in luck.

 

[ZbornacSVT]

No idea on who to handle it for you down there. There is always sending it off to Orion and all them online places...BUT a little piece of advice for future SBRs of yours and anyone else out there reading this.

Seriously consider engraving your receiver BEFORE you submit your paperwork. Nothing sucks more than having your newly NFA'd receiver ruined at engraving...if something were to go wrong, yes it happens, it is a lot easier to make right if the paperwork has not been submitted.

Not only that, but when your stamp does arrive....you are ready to rock!!!

Congrats on the stamp, btw. Oh and one more thing....

 

[lgvenable]

pics posted once complete. to note on ar15.com they suggested stamp first then engrave. Foretunately I have friend whose brother owns Alliance Armaments (they make the Walther P22 compat 50 round drum); so I'm hoping I can work with them, ans will know in the next couple of days

 

[revsaxon]

Ive heard it both ways. Yes it sucks having a receiver ruined by a bad engraving, but conversely getting denied and being stuck with an engraved receiver is equally bad (and I know you :: shouldn't:: get denied, but it does happen)

Personally I have gotten my <exact number redacted> SBR-ed weapons engraved after getting the stamp back. Worst case if its screwed up is re-engrave elsewhere and put some paint/jb-weld over the 1st engraving. Knock on wood, but no screwups yet.

As always, I suggest SP3Worker, regardless of where in the state you live, his work is worth the drive.

 

[sp3worker]

to note on ar15.com they suggested stamp first then engrave.

Got a link to that??? Most I've seen usually suggest the other way around. If you can't find anybody local and want to ship I can take care of you.

 

[miles2253]

Sp3worker did mine. Highly recomended!

 

[LLDJR]

You can go to local laser engraving places and they will do art work and a practice run before they burn the images ?

 

[revsaxon]

You can go to local laser engraving places and they will do art work and a practice run before they burn the images ?

Most laser engravers can't gent the .003" required by the BATF. Now the argument could be made that if they are ever going to measure it your going to be be getting into trouble for something else, but its not worth the risk in my mind. Get someone with a mill or a set of punches to do it right.

 

[mmorph55]

I used SP3Worker (outstanding service) this past Friday night and wouldnt you know it my stamp magically appeared on Saturday.

 

[Mayday671]

Got a link to that??? Most I've seen usually suggest the other way around. If you can't find anybody local and want to ship I can take care of you.

Im not sure where the post is but I have always been told to get the stamp in hand first then engrave. I don't think its illegal to do so otherwise, but it would suck to get it engraved then get turned down by the atf.

 

[Mayday671]

Got a link to that??? Most I've seen usually suggest the other way around. If you can't find anybody local and want to ship I can take care of you.

I have a Dillon tool head that needs machined, can you help. I no longer have a shop, everything but the drill press and lathe were sold off after my grandfather passed. No I rely on others for machining.

 

[Revopop]

I'm in Evansville & had the exact same question. Let us know what you come up with.

 

[sp3worker]

I have a Dillon tool head that needs machined, can you help. I no longer have a shop, everything but the drill press and lathe were sold off after my grandfather passed. No I rely on others for machining.

I can probably take care of you. I'll send you a text in a little bit.

 

[loony1]

Got a link to that??? Most I've seen usually suggest the other way around. If you can't find anybody local and want to ship I can take care of you.

Here you go:




Complete Guide of how to complete a Form 1 - AR15.COM

2) Obtain lower receiver and send it off to have it engraved. Any number of places can do the engraving, but it must meet certain requirements. Someone suggested to me that it's better to do the engraving first in case the lower is damaged or lost in the mail. This way you are not out your $200 tax stamp on a damaged/lost receiver. Often the engraving is done on the front or side of the magwell, but the barrel and other locations may also be acceptable. Orion Arms has some examples of engraving on their website:

 

[rrmark]

I have said it before on here. If your close to the south side of Indy, Laser Scribe does fantastic work. Industrial lasers that will meet ATF regulations. Ted can do anything from the basic name an address, to something intricate like the Air Force shield he did for me. Take your artwork in he can do it. He has done three weapons for me already. I can't say enough good about him.
LaserScribe: The Laser Engraving Specialists

 

[2tonic]

Hey guys, believe it or not almost any local jeweler or "Things Remembered" shop can do a bang-up job of carving your name/trust, city and state in an aluminum lower, and on the cheap!

As far as stamp/engrave order, consider this: Once the stamp is issued the item is an NFA controlled weapon. You cannot let it out of your possession for any amount of time without creating a "transfer" , specifically an illegal one by ATF standards, since no papers were filed, nor tax paid. This means no shipping it off, or even leaving it with the engraver overnight. The item must remain under your supervision. IIRC just handing an NFA weapon to your buddy to shoot is technically a violation of ATF rules (if observed by an agent) though I don't know of anyone actually having been prosecuted for that. The only exception to this is sending it for repair, which requires certain paperwork.

Long story short, get it engraved (inconspicuously) before the stamp shows up. If turned down, you're only out the $20 for the engraving and you have a personalized item. If you're caught with an unmarked SBR (got in a car wreck on the way to the engravers! Police inventoried contents of vehicle.) you will be in a world of hurt.

 

[ZbornacSVT]

things remembered will not touch them due to the value, or at least they wouldn't touch my billet lower. I believe they pass on anything valued over $150 or $200

 

[RobbLG]

Hey guys, believe it or not almost any local jeweler or "Things Remembered" shop can do a bang-up job of carving your name/trust, city and state in an aluminum lower, and on the cheap!

As far as stamp/engrave order, consider this: Once the stamp is issued the item is an NFA controlled weapon. You cannot let it out of your possession for any amount of time without creating a "transfer" , specifically an illegal one by ATF standards, since no papers were filed, nor tax paid. This means no shipping it off, or even leaving it with the engraver overnight. The item must remain under your supervision. IIRC just handing an NFA weapon to your buddy to shoot is technically a violation of ATF rules (if observed by an agent) though I don't know of anyone actually having been prosecuted for that. The only exception to this is sending it for repair, which requires certain paperwork.

Long story short, get it engraved (inconspicuously) before the stamp shows up. If turned down, you're only out the $20 for the engraving and you have a personalized item. If you're caught with an unmarked SBR (got in a car wreck on the way to the engravers! Police inventoried contents of vehicle.) you will be in a world of hurt.

This... Good advice... Much easier to have work done while it's not an NFA item...

 

[2tonic]

I've had three lowers done at Things Remembered. All were Tactical Innovations TI-15s that I picked up for $89.95 each. TR asks for an approximate value on any item not purchased from them in case they screw it up and have to replace the item. If the value is under $100 the engraving is cheaper, and even if they muff it they really haven't ruined the lower (as far as function), so list the value at $100.
They never mentioned a value ceiling to me, but I could believe they have one. They're still worth looking into as a possible source for engraving.

 

[Hkindiana]

As far as stamp/engrave order, consider this: Once the stamp is issued the item is an NFA controlled weapon. You cannot let it out of your possession for any amount of time without creating a "transfer" , specifically an illegal one by ATF standards, since no papers were filed, nor tax paid. This means no shipping it off, or even leaving it with the engraver overnight. The item must remain under your supervision. IIRC just handing an NFA weapon to your buddy to shoot is technically a violation of ATF rules (if observed by an agent) though I don't know of anyone actually having been prosecuted for that. The only exception to this is sending it for repair, which requires certain paperwork.

Long story short, get it engraved (inconspicuously) before the stamp shows up. If turned down, you're only out the $20 for the engraving and you have a personalized item. If you're caught with an unmarked SBR (got in a car wreck on the way to the engravers! Police inventoried contents of vehicle.) you will be in a world of hurt.

I disagree. You are getting permission to make a SBR. Until you actually make it, you just have a rifle, and PERMISSION to convert it into a SBR. I believe the BATFE will even give you your $200 back if you decide not to manufacture the SBR. Consider for a moment that you want a six inch barrel on your M-1 Garand. You apply to the BATFE for permission to manufacture a SBR, and your paperwork is approved. Your M-1 Garand is not magically a SBR just because you have "permission" to cut the barrel off. Your rifle does not meet the BATFE's definition of a SBR UNTIL you cut the barrel off, so it is NOT an ATF item Until then. There is no timeline within which you MUST manufacture the SBR. With approved paperwork you just have the right to do so when you want.