Secession.

[Hexa-Tula]

Does it seem funny to anyone else that the states have to ask permission to the federal government for secession?

 

[SubicWarrior1988]

Not really, I mean, we can't just get out of our cell phone contract and that's much less involved than being a "united" state.....

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[RockofStrength]

Does it seem funny to anyone else that the states have to ask permission to the federal government for secession?

when the alternative is potentially fighting that federal government...no.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Does it seem funny to anyone else that the states have to ask permission to the federal government for secession?

No, the federal govt (ie the other 49 states) have invested in said state. The infra-structure alone would be staggering in terms of cost. Obviously if a state leaves the union, that structure would need to be taken back.

Given the amount of people the federal govt employees, as well as the services they provide, if a state was to leave the union, it would go bankrupt within 10 years, UNLESS they "nationalized" much of the Feds property within that state, which, of course, would not be looked upon kindly by the Feds.

 

[Darral27]

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[88GT]

Why would anything need given back to the Fed's? Do people in Indiana not pay federal taxes? I am pretty sure I see taxes come out of all of my paychecks. The property and infrastructure in Indiana belongs to Indiana.
To say that we would be bankrupt in 10 years does not seem right either. Our economy is currently going better than the fed's. Stop welfare, lower tax rates, get new business, new business's hire employee's and pay more taxes to the state. If we did this and kept all current federal programs in place I could see it. That would defeat the whole purpose though wouldn't it?

Indiana has no port to speak of and would have to cross foreign land or airspace to export her products. That alone would render secession economically stupid on a monumental scale.

A state seceding is like a 12y/o kid saying he wants to leave the family.

 

[SubicWarrior1988]

yes, seceding is unconstitutional and a waste of time. It does however make for strong political capital within the base.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Indiana has no port to speak of and would have to cross foreign land or airspace to export her products. That alone would render secession economically stupid on a monumental scale.

A state seceding is like a 12y/o kid saying he wants to leave the family.

Exactly like that.....

Provided you burn down the kid's cities and kill a few hundred thousand of his friends.

 

[Paul]

yes, seceding is unconstitutional and a waste of time. It does however make for strong political capital within the base.

But should it be unconstitutional? I don't think it should be, but I think it would be dumb at this time.

 

[SubicWarrior1988]

But should it be unconstitutional? I don't think it should be, but I think it would be dumb at this time.

Should it be? to be honest, I don't know as i'm not that smart. Texas did try to secede once before and it was ruled on by the supreme court just after the civil war, creating legal precedence. I just try to deal with reality, which is hard because I'm extremely disappointed by the election results and the idea of seceding appeals to my emotions, but again, reality.

 

[Tamara]

The U.S. is like the mafia. Once you join, you're in for good. If you try to leave, they'll make you wish you hadn't.

 

[Bummer]

Rhode Island didn't like the way the Constitution turned out. They refused to sign. Blockades were put in place. It didn't take long for them to give up and sign.

It's never really been voluntary.

 

[Denny347]

 

[Bunnykid68]

Just had this topic pop on on AOL, Huff Post is talking about it. I had know idea it was getting this much attention

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

 

[HeadlessRoland]

yes, seceding is unconstitutional and a waste of time. It does however make for strong political capital within the base.

"Whenever a government is destructive of these ends..."

 

[hondatech2k2]

Yeah this has been popping up everywhere on the interwebthingy. Seems people are pretty unhappy with the way things are going governmental wise (imagine that!). So naturally what does someone want to do when things are not going their way....they want to quit and go do something else. Had that of been the First Continental Army's thought in the 1780's we would still be under British control. The only option as I see it, is to remove everyone from office...yes EVERYONE...remove corporate influence and campaign donations...remove a centralized banking system...and restart the system back to day 1 w/ term limits applied to all.

 

[Tamara]

So naturally what does someone want to do when things are not going their way....they want to quit and go do something else. Had that of been the First Continental Army's thought in the 1780's we would still be under British control.

...and if it HADN'T been the Massachusetts militia's thought in 1775, same back at you.

You might want to pick a different example.

 

[88GT]

Yeah this has been popping up everywhere on the interwebthingy. Seems people are pretty unhappy with the way things are going governmental wise (imagine that!). So naturally what does someone want to do when things are not going their way....they want to quit and go do something else. Had that of been the First Continental Army's thought in the 1780's we would still be under British control. The only option as I see it, is to remove everyone from office...yes EVERYONE...remove corporate influence and campaign donations...remove a centralized banking system...and restart the system back to day 1 w/ term limits applied to all.

Corporate influence: How do you remove it?

Campaign donations: only the rich will be elected?


None of that fixes the root problem: the voter.