Several people shot at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas

[actaeon277]

https://www.military.com/daily-news...0-names-gun-ban-list.html?ESRC=navy_180213.nl

The military has added 4,284 names to NICS.

 

[patience0830]

https://www.military.com/daily-news...0-names-gun-ban-list.html?ESRC=navy_180213.nl

The military has added 4,284 names to NICS.

Izzat all? Bet they're still missing some.

 

[2A_Tom]

Just a dumb question. Is INGO now advocating lifetime disarmament of whole classes of people, without redress?

DD = Felony conviction.

Many of those were probably DD'd for Homosexuality, which used to be at the top of the list for DD.

 

[KLB]

Just a dumb question. Is INGO now advocating lifetime disarmament of whole classes of people, without redress?

DD = Felony conviction.

Many of those were probably DD'd for Homosexuality, which used to be at the top of the list for DD.

Parts of INGO have always been in favor of that.

 

[jamil]

Just a dumb question. Is INGO now advocating lifetime disarmament of whole classes of people, without redress?

DD = Felony conviction.

Many of those were probably DD'd for Homosexuality, which used to be at the top of the list for DD.

When did “INGO” say that?

 

[HoughMade]

Just a dumb question. Is INGO now advocating lifetime disarmament of whole classes of people, without redress?

DD = Felony conviction.

Many of those were probably DD'd for Homosexuality, which used to be at the top of the list for DD.

Without redress?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/07/...or-honorable-discharges-they-were-denied.html

A 2011 Obama administration policy generally grants an honorable discharge to any veteran who was kicked out for homosexuality unless there were “aggravating” factors, such as misconduct. Records from the Department of Defense show 80 percent of the nearly 500 requests submitted since 2011 received an upgrade.

I’m not saying its super simple, but there is redress.

 

[T.Lex]

I'm confused by the Venn diagram issue.

A certain percentage of dishonorable discharges are because of felonies. Maybe even most. But where is it written that ALL DDs are equivalent to felony convictions, even the ones that don't have a general court martial?

(Look, it may be true, I'm just not familiar with it.)

 

[Doug]

If you are blocked by NICS, can you seek redress?

(Are you interrogated by Jethro Leroy Biggs?)

 

[HoughMade]

If you are blocked by NICS, can you seek redress?

(Are you interrogated by Jethro Leroy Biggs?)

https://ucr.fbi.gov/nics/appeals/nics-guide-for-appealing

 

[Doug]

https://ucr.fbi.gov/nics/appeals/nics-guide-for-appealing

Thanks.

 

[2A_Tom]

Without redress?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/07/...or-honorable-discharges-they-were-denied.html



I’m not saying its super simple, but there is redress.

I didn't know that.

 

[KellyinAvon]

I'm confused by the Venn diagram issue.

A certain percentage of dishonorable discharges are because of felonies. Maybe even most. But where is it written that ALL DDs are equivalent to felony convictions, even the ones that don't have a general court martial?

(Look, it may be true, I'm just not familiar with it.)

all DDs come from GCMs. SpCM can only go to BCD.

 

[T.Lex]

all DDs come from GCMs. SpCM can only go to BCD.

So a DD for homosexuality is/was a GCM? I did not know that.

 

[HoughMade]

So a DD for homosexuality is/was a GCM? I did not know that.

Normally a dishonorable discharge involved something more than simply being a homosexual. That may be a discharge “other than honorable” (OTH) or bad conduct (BCD). Some may even have been a general discharge.

It being “found out” that someone was gay would most often be OTH. Being caught in acts, being involved with another service member, being arrested for homosexual related behavior (lewd & lascivious)...depending on the specific facts, that could lead to a BCD or DD.

 

[T.Lex]

Normally a dishonorable discharge involved something more than simply being a homosexual. That may be a dicharge “other than honorable” (OTH) or bad conduct (BCD). Some may even have been a general discharge.

I was familiar with the general discharge nomenclature for non-criminal discharges. That's why I was confused by the assertion that a discharge for being gay, or acting gay, would be a DD or equivalent to a felony.

 

[actaeon277]

We referred to BCDs as Big Chicken Discharge.

Or we'do say, "He got a Big Chicken Dinner".

 

[KellyinAvon]

I was familiar with the general discharge nomenclature for non-criminal discharges. That's why I was confused by the assertion that a discharge for being gay, or acting gay, would be a DD or equivalent to a felony.

OK, KellyinAvon, SMSgt, USAF (Retired, AKA Blue ID Mafia Consigliere) here to explain military discharges. There are administrative and punitive discharges. Administrative includes: Honorable, General, and Other then Honorable Conditions. Punitive has Bad Conduct and Dishonorable. Punitive means it is the result of a Court Martial. Accepting a discharge in lieu of Cort Martial will lead to General or OTHC. You can be the worst troop (nothing illegal, just suck at your job) and get an Honorable, which = GI Bill, VA backed mortgage.

 

[BE Mike]

I was familiar with the general discharge nomenclature for non-criminal discharges. That's why I was confused by the assertion that a discharge for being gay, or acting gay, would be a DD or equivalent to a felony.

If this were an issue I'm sure that the gay community would be, so to speak, up in arms over it.

 

[T.Lex]

Hey, I never doubted your credentials.

So, which kind of separation from service would a homosexual usually get?

 

[KellyinAvon]

Hey, I never doubted your credentials.

So, which kind of separation from service would a homosexual usually get?

The short answer is "I don't know". The UCMJ really doesn't work that way. Gay prior to don't ask, don't tell = a General Discharge is not how it worked. There are separation codes on the DD Form 214 Part 4, but as far as the type of discharge? Commanders have significant latitude on characterization of discharge. They receive advice from JAGs (actually SJA, Staff Judge Advocates) but the organization commander will make the call.