I am having some problems zeroing in my Glock19. I am shooting a pretty tight group at 15-20ft but it is pretty far left of center, just outside a 8" target. I tapped my rear sight left hoping to compensate, but it did nothing.
Any suggestions? Grip, trigger pull, etc?
That pie chart is complete hogwash. It has next to no application for two handed defensive style pistol shooting.
Move your rear sight back to the middle of the slide. You are shooting left because you aren't making a good trigger pull. Your grip, finger position, etc has nothing to do with it. Pull the trigger straight back to the rear without disrupting your sight picture and your shots will land where you want them.
Trigger finger past the first knuckle. Just use the tip of your finger.
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Step 2: Pull the trigger without disrupting your sights.
That's the whole point, if your finger is in to deep the natural bend of the finger pushes the gun left. You are no doubt a very good shooter, but I've seen this happen many times for a not so accomplished shooter.
Ok, my are in, you can be the last one standing.
Agree with Wally, just use the tip of your finger on your trigger. I by no means am a professional shooter. Go no further than the first knuckle, at least give that a try and keep us updated what ya got to lose?
Step 1: Align your sights properly.
Step 2: Pull the trigger without disrupting your sights.
It's disingenous at best to completely dismiss finger placement on the trigger in terms of effective accuracy (much like dismissing grip). Sure, it's possible to fire the gun accurately using all kinds of weird gyrations, but that doesn't help someone who is trying to get bullets where he wants them to go.
Let's focus on one issue at a time. Shooting accurately is not the same as shooting accurately quickly. It is my opinion that people jump way too quickly into grip, stance, trigger finger, etc when the shooter is still patterning like a shotgun or flinching terribly. They don't need their thought process cluttered up with other stuff to remember other than the very basics of the fundamentals, which is a sight picture and trigger press. Until they can knock out the ten ring and have a grasp on exactly what it takes to make a shot, the other stuff is unimportant.especially for multiple shots. Just because someone can make a single shot using any kind of funky non-grip and using their eyelashes to stroke the trigger doesn't really help someone improve.
Louis Awerbuck is a well respected trainer in this industry and certainly has the resume to back it up. It is his experience and ability to teach that helps solve shooters problems, not what is printed on the paper they are shooting at. I still stand by my opinion of the chart.Also, we are aware that yiour mentor Steve and apparently you don't see merit in the "accuracy chart." I don't use it either. However, to assert that it's "hogwash" is silly and doesn't help you make your point. Plenty of competent and a few outstanding instructors make good use of that chart or similar charts. Louis Awerbuck is always my primary example in this regard. I know what he can do to help people improve and it's not "hogwash."
Everybody misses. I miss. I flinch. It's natural human reaction.Yeah, we get it. It's about pressing the trigger straight back. Some of us mere mortals need some ways to help us accomplish that task. Simply choosing to do it isn't helpful to many people I've encountered and can lead to significant frustration.
Agreed 100%.As far as the original poster is concerned, I'd have to see him shoot to see what he's doing. I'd want to shoot his gun (or have someone else shoot it) to see where it should be hitting. Knowing the reason why he's not pressing directly to the rear can be very useful in helping him learn to press directly the rear.
...it is pretty far left of center
...I tapped my rear sight left hoping to compensate, but it did nothing.