"Shootout" in Johnson County

[Alpo]

My town: Greenwood. I love you, man!

 

[possum_128]

Dean is a good guy, He worked for me years ago at Fort Harrison Fire Department, Haven't see Dean in about 23 years. Glad to worked in the end for him. Although as always, I am sorry it came down to this.

 

[SMiller]

To think the bad guys parents even went on camera DEFENDING the guy that shot their son, goes to show the lawnmower guy was nuts.

 

[SMiller]

Interesting that the firefighter was able to keep his job if he was arrested for cutting someone.

Wonder what his actual charges were.

 

[possum_128]

Interesting that the firefighter was able to keep his job if he was arrested for cutting someone.

Wonder what his actual charges were.

Arrested is one thing and convicted is another. For the most part unless he was convicted of a felony it doesn't effect his status as a Firefighter, however, each department has it's own set of rules.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Tough old cob, walking away like that with 3 or 4 shots to the chest.

Given the good condition of Lawnmower Man, (THAT is a movie I havent seen in forever) my money is on a .380 full of ball ammo. (or JHPs that are not properly sized for the caliber)

I just rewatched it. You can clearly hear two of the later rounds impact the fence. One was a solid hit to the fencepost, a second rattled the chain link.

 

[HoosierLife]

Where at in Johnson county?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Where at in Johnson county?

Pretty far southeast.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1...c4b6e697d96f89!8m2!3d39.5883136!4d-85.9995186

Lived in Greenwood most of my life, really don't think of that area when I think of Johnson County..

 

[Trigger Time]

Banjo land

 

[Hawkeye]

.....

Lots of lessons to be learned from just he video. More important lessons to be learned about letting stupid disputes escalate to deadly force exchanges.

This!

 

[shootr]

You DO reload, no reason to have a empty or near empty weapon, top off or mag swap, just a good habit.

Reload yes just in case he continues firing....Finish him off as walking away NO! that was the question.

 

[Naptown]

Old dude is lucky his tractor had a Dead Man's switch.

 

[Fargo]

Interesting that the firefighter was able to keep his job if he was arrested for cutting someone.

Wonder what his actual charges were.

I believe both Keller and Weigle were charged with disorderly conduct out of that incident.

 

[Alpo]

Banjo land

I see you missed finishing geography when you quit school.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

By my count, dude fired 16 rounds at the guy on the mower, who appeared to get up and walk out of frame toward the tail end of the video.

Proof that "one shot stops" are the exception, not the norm.

One incident isn't "proof", it's an anecdote. Which one "stopped" him? All the stop has to do is stop his aggressive act, not kill him. He toppled off the mower pretty early on. How many of the 16 shots were once he didn't really have a target? Or were just "cover fire" as he moved?

I noted that the firefighter did blade, act like he was walking off, and concealed his draw. Good tactics there. I'm assuming he unassed the area, also good tactics.

Things to consider before you find yourself in a similar circumstance:
Seeking cover yourself earlier. If old guy is still in the fight, he's got concealment at least, probably some cover in the form of the mower.
Don't run the gun like a sewing machine. Once the target disappears, it's time to stop shooting.
Also remember each pull of the trigger is it's own use of force decision, legally speaking.
Don't expect it be over. Even if the guy falls and lays still for awhile, he may not be out of the fight. Be surprised he stays down, not surprised he's getting back into the fight.

 

[kiddchaos]

Yeah, My uncle has been in a heated dispute with his neighbor for years over the property line. So far it's not made it to gun waving level.

 

[SSGSAD]

Wow. Carry a second mag folks..

AIM, and DON'T do a "mag dump" .....

JMHO ..... YMMV .....

 

[HoughMade]

Old dude is lucky his tractor had a Dead Man's switch.

He might be the first one.

 

[SSGSAD]

video released of the incident

Video released of gun fight between Johnson County neighbors; no charges to be filed | WISH-TV

I am not very good at stuff like this .....

but I hear 10 or 11 or 12 shots, total .....

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

He might be the first one.

I've gotten really good at doing the quick sideways lean to grab a branch and get my butt back on the seat before the engine looses too many RPMs to fire back up.