SWAT uses flashbang on sleeping 12-year-old girl

[steveh_131]

The police have no discretion (in Indiana) pertaining to felony crimes

I don't agree. The officer always has discretion.

 

[trapperDave]

The pic looks like a flop house.

they usually do after the cops ransack them

 

[phylodog]

they usually do after the cops ransack them

How many homes have you been after the police have concluded a search warrant?

 

[level.eleven]

Does anyone find fighting the federal drug war depressing? The data shows it to be a failure, yet the soldiers plod onward. Futile work. Dig a hole, fill it back in. Personally I would find being a drug warrior to be utterly dismal, nugatory work. You are literally working towards nothing. This is the point I was driving at the other night. I don't understand the mindset. Or am I being naive? Is the war going as planned?

 

[phylodog]

Does anyone find fighting the federal drug war depressing? The data shows it to be a failure, yet the soldiers plod onward. Futile work. Dig a hole, fill it back in. Personally I would find being a drug warrior to be utterly dismal, nugatory work. You are literally working towards nothing. This is the point I was driving at the other night. I don't understand the mindset. Or am I being naive? Is the war going as planned?

The same can be said for any aspect of police work. The work is never going to cease to exist. There will always be robberies, murderers, thieves, rapists, etc..

I wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep if the drug war were ended tomorrow. Actually it would be refreshing to stop getting blamed for it.

 

[fireblade]

[ame]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4VJaNVHa88[/ame]

whoops wrong house ...........

[ame]http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjSwkU_Q-as[/ame]

 

[Zoub]

The same can be said for any aspect of police work. The work is never going to cease to exist. There will always be robberies, murderers, thieves, rapists, etc..

I wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep if the drug war were ended tomorrow. Actually it would be refreshing to stop getting blamed for it.

+1

The Drug war took the place of Vietnam. A war being run by Politicians telling professionals what is or is not allowed on the target list.

 

[GBuck]

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4VJaNVHa88

whoops wrong house ...........

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjSwkU_Q-as

Huh? The top video is a demonstration, and the second is unrelated to the top. What's your point?

 

[GBuck]

Does anyone find fighting the federal drug war depressing? The data shows it to be a failure, yet the soldiers plod onward. Futile work. Dig a hole, fill it back in. Personally I would find being a drug warrior to be utterly dismal, nugatory work. You are literally working towards nothing. This is the point I was driving at the other night. I don't understand the mindset. Or am I being naive? Is the war going as planned?

I don't think anyone here (or at least a significant number of people) disagree with you on this point. That's why I said contact your legislature. Don't whine about the people carrying out their duties, go through the process and change their duties.

 

[fireblade]

If you read the whole thread there was alot of talk about flashbangs and there use and damage they cause ........what i posted was a example of that if you don't like my point .....don't watch it or read it and the second does relate to the thread with home entry and use of flash bangs.....

 

[steveh_131]

I don't think anyone here (or at least a significant number of people) disagree with you on this point. That's why I said contact your legislature. Don't whine about the people carrying out their duties, go through the process and change their duties.

The enforcers carry their share of the blame for this nonsense.

If they don't agree with the things they are told to do, they have every right (and responsibility) not to do them.

 

[GBuck]

The enforcers carry their share of the blame for this nonsense.

If they don't agree with the things they are told to do, they have every right (and responsibility) not to do them.

Who says that they do or do not believe in it. The crap is illegal. Break the law, and the police have a responsibility to act. It's not like this is a "collect the guns" type scenario. This is an illegal substance. If you don't believe it should be illegal, write your congressmen.

 

[GBuck]

If you read the whole thread there was alot of talk about flashbangs and there use and damage they cause ........what i posted was a example of that if you don't like my point .....don't watch it or read it and the second does relate to the thread with home entry and use of flash bangs.....

See, I understand the point you were trying to make. It also appears that you were trying to play it off as video "a" lead to video "b". I have no issues with the damage that flashbangs can cause if they are necessary.

 

[steveh_131]

Who says that they do or do not believe in it. The crap is illegal. Break the law, and the police have a responsibility to act. It's not like this is a "collect the guns" type scenario. This is an illegal substance. If you don't believe it should be illegal, write your congressmen.

It is exactly a "collect the guns" type scenario.

If guns are made illegal, I similarly expect the enforcers not to collect them.

 

[hornadylnl]

In some countries, it used to be illegal to be Jewish. And we determined that following orders wasn't a valid defense.

 

[GBuck]

It is exactly a "collect the guns" type scenario.

If guns are made illegal, I similarly expect the enforcers not to collect them.

Ok.

In some countries, it used to be illegal to be Jewish. And we determined that following orders wasn't a valid defense.

Ok.

 

[Archaic_Entity]

In some countries, it used to be illegal to be Jewish. And we determined that following orders wasn't a valid defense.

I did ask for no Godwin, but apparently it goes into effect anyway.

Look, there are major differences between a drug raid and sending people to their deaths for their ethnic heritage.

We have ruled one is legal, and the other is not. If you want to make the former illegal, then make it happen. Until then the courts have ruled that it's legal. These are two completely different scenarios.

 

[GBuck]

I did ask for no Godwin, but apparently it goes into effect anyway.

Look, there are major differences between a drug raid and sending people to their deaths for their ethnic heritage.

We have ruled one is legal, and the other is not. If you want to make the former illegal, then make it happen. Until then the courts have ruled that it's legal. These are two completely different scenarios.

But it sounds so much better to use an emotionally charged one-liner that has nothing to do with the situation. It's a great method to win others to your side.

 

[phylodog]

This thread has officially gone full retard

 

[IndyDave1776]

if we insist on resting on what is or is not the law while disregarding the more ominous implications for the future consider how quickly the law or the status or definitions applied to those affected by the law can change.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtOWNw--azY[/ame]


I will grant you that it generally would take more than declaring 'you're fired' but the only practical difference between this and arbitrary law is that the law takes more time to change. If we accept this because a given activity is now illegal, what happens when more things are made illegal, perhaps even those which are the subject of constitutional rights (some of which are already being violated)?