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  • Pocketman

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    Secondly, what more do you want. Sarah Palin has endorsed several Tea Party candidates. Heck, while she was in Florida recently she gave a rather nice speech about wanting a smaller, more responsible government and how she would like to return to Reaganism. If some no name tea party protest organizer had said it you all would be enthralled but because it was an "establishment politician" (or anyone you deem less pure than you) it gets the typical pointless internet whining.
    Let’s not forget that Reagan increased the size of the Federal government; tripled the National Debt; signed the largest tax increase in history (TEFRA); turned the United States from the world's largest creditor into the world's largest debtor. Reagan's deficits sank the Bush administration, by forcing HW Bush to increase taxes, which subsequently handed Clinton the Presidency. Unemployment rose to over ten percent, where it stayed till late into Reagan’s third year in office.

    All in all, Regan wasn’t a bad president, but not the conservative he's portrayed as. Ms. Palin though is an opportunist, using Reagan’s name as a popular catchphrase. The Republicans threw her under the bus and now it’s payback time. She’s raking in big bucks right now and I have to give here credit for taking financial advantage of the situation.

    While I blame John McCain, how many votes did he lose because of Sarah?
     

    mrjarrell

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    On a related note...there's a new survey out that shows the TEA party is losing its libertarian core and they're being replaced by the religious right. This is just a recipe for decline and disaster. The TEA party was supposed to be about smaller government, lower taxes and fiscal responsibility, now we have a resurgent moral majority getting involved, (via the republicrat usurpers) and changing the core focus of the groups. Nice way to drive away support for a great idea.

    Is the Religious Right Taking Over the Tea Party?
     

    Ogre

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    Gotta keep them dirty religious people away!!
    religios people are fine, as long as they would like to keep the focus on the original intent of small govt. and less taxes. Unfortunately, many of them will just use the opportunity to make it about little more than gay marriage, abortion....:noway:
     

    Pocketman

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    On a related note...there's a new survey out that shows the TEA party is losing its libertarian core and they're being replaced by the religious right. This is just a recipe for decline and disaster. The TEA party was supposed to be about smaller government, lower taxes and fiscal responsibility, now we have a resurgent moral majority getting involved, (via the republicrat usurpers) and changing the core focus of the groups. Nice way to drive away support for a great idea.
    Exactly my concern. While many of these social issues are real and important, it wasn't what the TEA Party set out to accomplish. Distracts from the core objective of smaller government. Kinda like "special interests light."
     

    mrjarrell

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    Gotta keep them dirty religious people away!!
    Nope. As usual, you headed out to the back 40 and the extreme. I know lots of religious folks associated with the TEA Party and they don't want the moral majority back. They're focused on the core issues of smaller government, lower taxes and spending. They keep their religion close and at home. The usurpers want their religious inspired agenda to take precedence over that, as we've seen lately with some of the candidates in these races. Focus is the name of the game.
     

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    Why didn't the Tea Party form a separate actual political party? It would seem if they wanted to legitimize their efforts and be separate from the other two, they should actually physically be separate. As it is now, they appear to be portrayed as repackaged NeoCons.
     

    mrjarrell

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    Why didn't the Tea Party form a separate actual political party? It would seem if they wanted to legitimize their efforts and be separate from the other two, they should actually physically be separate. As it is now, they appear to be portrayed as repackaged NeoCons.
    Why didn't they do it? Because they stand a better chance doing what they started out doing. Being a party means trying to gain ballot access and that's a hard battle to fight in many places and it can distract from what you need to do.
     
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    Woodrow

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    Why are some people here discussing God within the context of the Tea Party? What does a grassroots movement focused on fiscal responsibility have to do with God? Oh yeah, NOTHING. If you feel led by God, they by all means, keep marching, but DO NOT try to assign some divine sovereignty to a misunderstanding of the original aims of the Tea Party. If we focus on fiscal oversights, we have a clear rallying point and legitimate, quantifiable issue. If you want to tack on God, abortion, gays in the military, and other matters of the heart, then this will become an unfocused group, easily discredited or manipulated. If you want to know what happens when too many ideologies are tacked on to a single political movement, just look at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. That set their party back years.
     

    Joe Williams

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    If you want to know what happens when too many ideologies are tacked on to a single political movement, just look at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. That set their party back years.

    Long term, the Democrats are winning, and winning big. More and more of the agenda of those ideologies are being foisted on us.

    Might wanna take notes from the folks that are succeeding.
     
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    Long term, the Democrats are winning, and winning big. More and more of the agenda of those ideologies are being foisted on us.

    Might wanna take notes from the folks are are succeeding.


    Yeah, like not falling on your ideological sword and dying with a gush of purity. They know EXACTLY how to take a compromise today and turn it into getting everything they want tomorrow. It's why their wildest dreams in the 1920s are the reality today.
     

    Woodrow

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    Long term, the Democrats are winning, and winning big. More and more of the agenda of those ideologies are being foisted on us.

    Might wanna take notes from the folks that are succeeding.

    I don't really think that there is a "long term." They lost, times changed, they won briefly (thanks more to Nixon's faults than Carter's attributes) and then they lost for 12 years. There is an ebb and flow. I guess today's Democrats can be traced back to McGovern, but politics is a dynamic enough field that there was no "strategy" as such that materialized in the 1960s and just now is "succeeding."

    And what are you even talking about? I was basically agreeing with you.
     

    SavageEagle

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    Why are some people here discussing God within the context of the Tea Party? What does a grassroots movement focused on fiscal responsibility have to do with God? Oh yeah, NOTHING. If you feel led by God, they by all means, keep marching, but DO NOT try to assign some divine sovereignty to a misunderstanding of the original aims of the Tea Party. If we focus on fiscal oversights, we have a clear rallying point and legitimate, quantifiable issue. If you want to tack on God, abortion, gays in the military, and other matters of the heart, then this will become an unfocused group, easily discredited or manipulated. If you want to know what happens when too many ideologies are tacked on to a single political movement, just look at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. That set their party back years.

    I'm sorry if you can't see that the TEA Party wants this Country to return to it's roots. Consequently, the roots of this Country are founded upon Christian Principles. Where do you think Natural Rights come from? The trees? Tell me you're not one of those tree hugging hippie folk....

    One of the original aims of the TEA Party were Smaller Government, which would give us back our NATURAL, GOD GIVEN RIGHTS. GOD GIVEN. Repeat that out loud to yourself. God has EVERYTHING to do with it. Get over it.
     

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    I don't really think that there is a "long term." They lost, times changed, they won briefly (thanks more to Nixon's faults than Carter's attributes) and then they lost for 12 years. There is an ebb and flow. I guess today's Democrats can be traced back to McGovern, but politics is a dynamic enough field that there was no "strategy" as such that materialized in the 1960s and just now is "succeeding."

    And what are you even talking about? I was basically agreeing with you.

    But the bigger picture is that socialist principles that were once controversial are accepted today, and as many here point out often, are even advanced by some from the more conservative party.

    Every time it's polled, a large percentage of the people think that, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need," is part of the Constitution.

    That's how they've slowly won.
     

    dross

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    I'm sorry if you can't see that the TEA Party wants this Country to return to it's roots. Consequently, the roots of this Country are founded upon Christian Principles. Where do you think Natural Rights come from? The trees? Tell me you're not one of those tree hugging hippie folk....

    One of the original aims of the TEA Party were Smaller Government, which would give us back our NATURAL, GOD GIVEN RIGHTS. GOD GIVEN. Repeat that out loud to yourself. God has EVERYTHING to do with it. Get over it.

    Christian principles are one thing. It's codifying Christian dogma, and trampling others' natural rights that scares people.
     

    dross

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    I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

    Some of the politically active social conservatives attempt to use the law to force other people to adhere to a standard of behavior based in religious beliefs. People who don't share those beliefs don't want to have their behavior dictated by force, based on religious beliefs they don't share.
     
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