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    A popular national chain of clothing stores is being sued by the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission for allegedly not hiring a Muslim Tulsa teenager because she wears a hijab, a religiously mandated head scarf.

    The EEOC filed the lawsuit Wednesday against Abercrombie & Fitch in U.S. District Court in Tulsa, citing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, modified in 1991, as the basis for the action.

    The suit says that Samantha Elauf, 17, applied in June 2008 for a sales job at the Abercrombie Kids store in Woodland Hills Mall.

    A district manager allegedly told her that the hijab, which Elauf wears in observance of her religious beliefs, did not fit the store's image.

    "Defendant refused to hire Ms. Elauf because she wears a hijab, claiming that the wearing of headgear was prohibited by its Look Policy, and, further, failed to accommodate her religious beliefs by making an exception to the Look Policy," the lawsuit states.

    Elauf went to the Council on American-Islamic Relations-Oklahoma, which helped her file a complaint with the EEOC in Oklahoma City.

    The Civil Rights Act protects people from discrimination based upon religion in hiring and in the terms of their employment, an EEOC press release says.

    The law requires employers to reasonably accommodate the religious practices of an employee unless doing so would create an "undue hardship" for the employer.

    Michelle M. Robertson, a senior trial attorney for the EEOC, stated, "It is unlawful for employers to treat applicants or workers differently based on their religious beliefs or practices in any aspect of employment, including recruitment, hiring and job assignments."

    The lawsuit was filed after the parties failed to reach a settlement, the release states.

    Webster Smith, acting director of the EEOC's St. Louis district office, which handles the agency's litigation in Oklahoma, declared, "The EEOC is committed to eliminating religious discrimination in the workplace.

    "As religious diversity increases in the workplace, companies need to be more vigilant in respecting and balancing employees' needs to practice their religion, including engaging in religious expression."

    The lawsuit asks the company to stop religious discrimination in its hiring; institute policies, practices and programs to provide equal employment opportunities; and provide Elauf with "appropriate back pay with prejudgement interest" and punitive damages.

    The EEOC accused Abercrombie & Fitch in 2004 of violating the Civil Rights Act by adopting a restrictive marketing image that limited the hiring of minorities, who did not conform to the image.

    The company reached a settlement with the EEOC and private parties in which it agreed to pay $50 million and was enjoined from discriminating against job applicants based on race, color and national origin; discriminating against women because of gender; and denying promotional opportunities to women and minorities.

    EEOC general counsel Eric Dreiband said at the time that the retail industry "needs to know that businesses cannot discriminate against individuals under the auspice of a marketing strategy or a particular 'look.' "
     

    GuyRelford

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    Okay, I'll be a lightning rod here. I don't have a problem with this suit. They wouldn't hire her because of a "religeously mandated headscarf"? That should be okay? So they wouldn't hire another man because he wears a yamika? Or me because I wear a cross on a chain around my neck?

    That's discrimination based on religeous affilation - and that's illegal. And I have absolutely no problem with the fact that that's illegal.

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 has made us a better country, not a worse one. And I'm very okay with that too.
     

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    Okay, I'll be a lightning rod here. I don't have a problem with this suit. They wouldn't hire her because of a "religeously mandated headscarf"? That should be okay? So they wouldn't hire another man because he wears a yamika? Or me because I wear a cross on a chain around my neck?

    That's discrimination based on religeous affilation - and that's illegal. And I have absolutely no problem with the fact that that's illegal.

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 has made us a better country, not a worse one. And I'm very okay with that too.
    :+1:
     

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    Abercrombie is about a certain style. Does the scarf fit in with it? If not, it certainly sounds like a bona fide occupational qualification to me. Not all Muslims wear headscarves. If I only bar headscarves and not Muslims, regardless of whether they are wearing a headscarf, how is it not a BFOQ? How's that different than my hiring only white actors for a WW2 combat movie because blacks were barred from white combat units and having black actors wouldn't be authentic? If I prohibited my black employees, if I'm Abercrombie, from dressing like Aunt Jemima, am I then discriminating on the basis of race? What utter nonsense.
     

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    Okay, I'll be a lightning rod here. I don't have a problem with this suit. They wouldn't hire her because of a "religeously mandated headscarf"? That should be okay? So they wouldn't hire another man because he wears a yamika? Or me because I wear a cross on a chain around my neck?

    That's discrimination based on religeous affilation - and that's illegal. And I have absolutely no problem with the fact that that's illegal.

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 has made us a better country, not a worse one. And I'm very okay with that too.


    I agree as well.

    "Congress shall make no law........free expression thereof.......yadda, yadda..." plus the civil rights act.

    I grew up around Arabs and other Middle Eastern folk. Some Musilim , some Christian, some neither. Like anyone else mostly good folks with some bad seeds.
    now the woman in Florida who wouldn't take off a facial covering cause that's how it 's done back in Saudi Arabia, I do NOT support. That case is not only rediculas from a an I.D. standpoint but a philosophical one as well. In Saudi she wouldn't be allowed to drive at all.
     
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    Paco Bedejo

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    Okay, I'll be a lightning rod here. I don't have a problem with this suit. They wouldn't hire her because of a "religeously mandated headscarf"? That should be okay? So they wouldn't hire another man because he wears a yamika? Or me because I wear a cross on a chain around my neck?

    That's discrimination based on religeous affilation - and that's illegal. And I have absolutely no problem with the fact that that's illegal.

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 has made us a better country, not a worse one. And I'm very okay with that too.

    While that is the law, I blatantly disagree with it.

    It is not a power enumerated by our Constitution to dictate who I can & cannot hire in my own business.

    If I own a Christian Bookstore, should I be required to hire someone who's a practicing Wiccan?

    If I own a modeling agency, should I be required to hire someone who doesn't put forth the image I rely upon?

    My business is my property, to be ran however I choose, so long as I don't infringe upon the liberties of others.

    Despite what FDR stated, you DO NOT have a right to gainful employment with a private enterprise. If you want equal hiring, apply for the 1/3 of jobs in our nation which are ran by our various government entities.

    I understand the liberal hugs & butterflies logic behind trying to force such things...but deep down, it's using the force of government to control our lives & our properties.
     

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    Carmel and Paco,

    You both make good points too. This one tugs my MOR heart strings.....

    (Paco NONE of that in purple???:))
     

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    Okay, I'll be a lightning rod here. I don't have a problem with this suit. They wouldn't hire her because of a "religeously mandated headscarf"? That should be okay? So they wouldn't hire another man because he wears a yamika? Or me because I wear a cross on a chain around my neck?

    That's discrimination based on religeous affilation - and that's illegal. And I have absolutely no problem with the fact that that's illegal.

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 has made us a better country, not a worse one. And I'm very okay with that too.


    I agree and disagree. Great Civil Rights Act, made us a better country, yes, but 50 million because of an attire issue, that is outrageous. The problem here is on both parties. A & F, clearly knew the law, and flagrantly broke the law. But 50 million for damn near nothing. This is where we are at, the US is now a victim to victims. This jack could have remained in the "good 'ol boy club" and not hired her for any other reason. But Nooooo he had to spend 50 million of his companies materialistic profit because he couldn't keep his trap shut. :rolleyes: I will file this next to the Caution Hot on Coffee Cups.:dunno:
     

    GuyRelford

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    I agree and disagree. Great Civil Rights Act, made us a better country, yes, but 50 million because of an attire issue, that is outrageous. The problem here is on both parties. A & F, clearly knew the law, and flagrantly broke the law. But 50 million for damn near nothing. This is where we are at, the US is now a victim to victims. This jack could have remained in the "good 'ol boy club" and not hired her for any other reason. But Nooooo he had to spend 50 million of his companies materialistic profit because he couldn't keep his trap shut. :rolleyes: I will file this next to the Caution Hot on Coffee Cups.:dunno:
    You raise a very good point, but the $50 million settlement wasn't for this young lady's attire issue - it was for wholly separate civil rights violations litigated in 2004 that were much broader.
     

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    While that is the law, I blatantly disagree with it.

    It is not a power enumerated by our Constitution to dictate who I can & cannot hire in my own business.

    If I own a Christian Bookstore, should I be required to hire someone who's a practicing Wiccan?

    If I own a modeling agency, should I be required to hire someone who doesn't put forth the image I rely upon?

    My business is my property, to be ran however I choose, so long as I don't infringe upon the liberties of others.

    Despite what FDR stated, you DO NOT have a right to gainful employment with a private enterprise. If you want equal hiring, apply for the 1/3 of jobs in our nation which are ran by our various government entities.

    I understand the liberal hugs & butterflies logic behind trying to force such things...but deep down, it's using the force of government to control our lives & our properties.
    So since you're OK with bending the First Amendment to fit the situation...it surely wouldn't bother you to bend the Second?
     

    Paco Bedejo

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    And sir, I respectfully submit that the liberty of "freedom of religeon" is one worth preserving.

    You are free to believe what you want, practice whatever religious ceremonies you'd like, wear what you want, etc. But, nowhere is *freedom of religion* associated with *right to a job with a private enterprise*.

    I'm free to cut my hair into a mohawk, wear a pink tutu, and yodel loudly whenever I hear the word "it". However, I don't expect someone to employ me in spite of such things.

    You have the freedom of speech, to bear arms, of religion etc. But, you don't have the right to other people's things, including employment.

    If you think someone should be employed in spite of their outwardly religious appearances, then I challenge you to exercise your other rights at your place of employment on Monday. Go ahead. Walk in saying bad (but true) things about your employer & coworkers. Carry your AR-15 over your shoulder. Let me know how that goes for you. Religion is no different.

    Sure, it would be an !@#hole thing to do to not hire someone because they wore a yarmulke, head-scarf, cross pendant, etc. But, discrimination is our right.

    Personally, I discriminate against:

    • Idiots
    • Fools
    • Rude people
    • Obnoxious people
    • Short people when I choose teams for basketball
    • etc
    • etc
    • etc
    I guarantee you do similar. To force an employer to not do so is wrong, just as forcing me to pay taxes which are then given to charities is wrong.
     

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    Abercrombie is about a certain style. Does the scarf fit in with it? If not, it certainly sounds like a bona fide occupational qualification to me. Not all Muslims wear headscarves. If I only bar headscarves and not Muslims, regardless of whether they are wearing a headscarf, how is it not a BFOQ? How's that different than my hiring only white actors for a WW2 combat movie because blacks were barred from white combat units and having black actors wouldn't be authentic? If I prohibited my black employees, if I'm Abercrombie, from dressing like Aunt Jemima, am I then discriminating on the basis of race? What utter nonsense.

    So what your saying is, an employer has the right to turn down a pregnant woman because A&F doesn't sell maturity wear. Or if i gained a few pounds i could be fired because me being over weight doesn't fit in with the stores image?

    If A&F wants to only hire people that "fit into their image" they have to be hired as Models a la Hooters. However to avoid the cost of hiring people as models (due to the fact that hiring pretty people to look pretty costs a lot of money) A&F just hires people to work as cashiers ,sales clerks, what have you.

    I believe that in this case the court was correct in their decision.
     

    GuyRelford

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    But, discrimination is our right.

    With all respect, that hasn't been true since 1964 - at least as to "protected classes," like members of a particular religeous community (unlike idiots and rude people). And to return to my original post, I'm okay with that.

    Of course, that's just my opinion.
     

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    The first amendment has nothing to do with this. The bill of rights was created to restrain government, not private interaction. The plaintiff cannot properly claim any harm was done to her: before the interview, she did not have a job with A&F. After the interview, nothing had changed. There is no damage here, CRA be damned.

    Twist it around: if A&F had made the offer to hire her, and she declined because of some prejudice she suddenly discovered she had about working for a store that uses underage underwear models, should A&F be able to sue her for $50 million for discriminating against them?

    Among our rights as free people is the right to associate with whom we choose, to do business with whom we choose. Whether this is explicitly spelled out in the Constitution is irrelevant. Forcing someone to be your friend is asserting that they are your property, and it goes against everything liberty-loving people ought to stand for.
     

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    Well......
    Here is the way that I see it. A & F, a private enterprise, can hire whomever they want. When you are hired to do a job - regardless of what that job may be - there are going to be instances where you are required to dress a certain way; either for safety reasons, or as an "image" issue. You know these things when you apply for the job, since most companies will disclose to you their dress code upon offering you a job. If you don't like their dress code - don't apply for a job there. Your religious beliefs have nothing to do with helping your employer earn money..... that is why they don't hold church services in Mc Donalds! IF you are offered a job - you are being PAID to do the work assigned to you, and you are being PAID to abide by their policies - including manor of dress. Don't like it - don't go there!

    The problem with the laws pertaining to discrimination is that they are constantly re-interpreted to support whatever the flavor-or-the-month gripe is. IMHO, this is exactly why girls get to play on a male football team, Habib wears his nasty dew-wrap rag on his head while making my doughnuts, Rasta-Man gets to avoid washing his bug-infested hair (yeah, a hair net is REALLY going to stop the bugs from jumping ship, and into my Denver Omelete), etc., etc., etc.

    This person walks away $50,000,000.00 richer...... tell me exactly HOW she is oppressed, depressed, hell - any kind of pressed! (Other than PRESSED to spend that cash - and never have to worry about slinging overpriced clothes to teens who are happy to be branded - seen wearing the brand - and as such have ZERO common sense.

    I think the courts have been corrupted by years of Liberalism and Socialism, the justices put their personal take on the law into the mix, and it gets perverted from it's original, intended form. It is an inconvenient truth about the flawed system that we have.

    And, for the record - I am not biased against ANYONE. You want to be a Budhist, fine. Into Kabala - whatever tickles your fancy. Scientology - wear your tin-foil hat, and have a nice day. Just don't bring it to the workplace - and try to force your beliefs onto me or my kids. I can screw them up just fine, on my own! And I have NO problem - what so ever - with what you do with your free time. Just don't be a lawsuit whore to exploit a flawed system - and make the rest of us pay for it in the end through higer prices to cover the mistake of some dipsh!t manager:xmad:

    Sorry for the rant......... sometimes I have coffee late at night......:rockwoot:
     

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    So since you're OK with bending the First Amendment to fit the situation...it surely wouldn't bother you to bend the Second?

    I see nothing wrong with it, if a private business owner does not want firearms in their place of business that's their choice. If they don't want to hire firearm owners again that is their choice. But that is not bending the 2nd, that is the business owners right.

    If they are Christian and they don't want to hire wiccans/satanists fine. If the owners Jewish and doesn't want to hire the skin head with a swastika on his forehead no problem.

    Just like I'm free to ban anyone from my home for any or no reason.

    1st amendment Congress shall pass no law. Nothing in there about private citizens I feel I have a right to discriminate against anyone for any or no reason. About the only exception to that would be if its government ran/funded. If its a gov. agency/job or they receive any money from the gov. then no they cannot discriminate.
     

    phrozen5100

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    I disagree with the court's decision, although it was the folly of the A & F manager to tell the girl the reasoning behind the decision. I've encountered numerous businesses that most certainly discriminate based on sex (unless only cute females applied, that is); what are the chances that a white male might be given the same consideration as a female ethnic minority in court for such a situation?

    A & F most clearly meets at least one of the provisions for a BFOQ defense, which, despite its inadequacy in entirety, makes a $50 million settlement appear even more absurd.

    In very narrow defined situations an employer is permitted to discriminate on the basis of a protected trait where the trait is a bona fide occupational qualification reasonably necessary to the normal operation of that particular business or enterprise. To prove the Bona Fide Occupational Qualifications defense, an employer must prove three elements: a direct relationship between sex and the ability to perform the duties of the job, the BFOQ relates to the "essence" or "central mission of the employer's business," and there is no less-restrictive or reasonable alternative
    There are partial and whole exceptions to Title VII for four types of employers:

    • Federal government; (Comment: The proscriptions against employment discrimination under Title VII are now applicable to the federal government under 42 U.S.C. Section 2000e-16)
    So this is how the law reads, but...

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    Perhaps we should make the new face of the American military that of a turban wearing long-bearded fellow - all in the name of non-discrimination, of course.

    A ruling such as this certainly has the potential for future abuse...
    Aw hell guys, screw the debate. Let's just all follow these steps and become millionaires:

    1. Establish a religion requiring a color tattoo of Obama on our foreheads - yes, Barack Obama. We'll call this religion Bhorockilism.
    2. Apply for a job at a large fast food joint.
    3. Act shocked when you're not hired after the interview.
    4. Have your newly converted Bhorockilist friends repeat steps 2-3.
    5. File a class action lawsuit claiming religious and racial discrimination (for the clear hating of the black guy on your forehead).
    6. Split earnings of ridiculous settlement and purchase new gun collections.

    OK, any takers?
     
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