The Downward Spiral of NASCAR...

[JettaKnight]

You got that right! The Ausie V8 supercars are fun to watch. Isn't there a similar series in Europe?

IndyCar has become an absolute snoozer and IMS is, and always has been, the worst spectator oval on the planet. But, back when half the field was built in a garage behind somebody's house in Speedway and A.J. Watson built most of the frames, it was a much better show. Yep, showing my age.

"Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters" (DTM). It's what NASCAR should be - production cars modified for racing. Not a bunch of bed frames with decals and stickers. (they still use carbs in NASCAR?)

The closest thing in America is the Pirelli World Challenge.

I use to watch a lot of sport car racing - Ausies, Brits, Germans and Americans (Speed Challenge), but all that was before the decline of Speedvision and it's devolution into "reality TV" and "turn left" racing.


These days it pretty much just F1 for me, There's a lot of variation between teams, and there may not be as much passing because it takes... skill.

 

[snapping turtle]

Rally car.
Gt series racing.
all hard to film and hard to find on the tv.

 

[jasonh31]

DTM and Aussie v8s are purpose built cars now, just like NASCAR. I watch any form of road course racing. Ovals unless its Indycar just bore me.

 

[churchmouse]

You got that right! The Ausie V8 supercars are fun to watch. Isn't there a similar series in Europe?

IndyCar has become an absolute snoozer and IMS is, and always has been, the worst spectator oval on the planet. But, back when half the field was built in a garage behind somebody's house in Speedway and A.J. Watson built most of the frames, it was a much better show. Yep, showing my age.

I was a kid riding my bike to all of those little garages behind the track. I grew up there. It was in my blood and this current offering is a complete joke.

 

[churchmouse]

"Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters" (DTM). It's what NASCAR should be - production cars modified for racing. Not a bunch of bed frames with decals and stickers. (they still use carbs in NASCAR?)

The closest thing in America is the Pirelli World Challenge.

I use to watch a lot of sport car racing - Ausies, Brits, Germans and Americans (Speed Challenge), but all that was before the decline of Speedvision and it's devolution into "reality TV" and "turn left" racing.


These days it pretty much just F1 for me, There's a lot of variation between teams, and there may not be as much passing because it takes... skill.

NAPCAR now allows fuel injection.

 

[thunderchicken]

Dang, this thread got me to thinking. It has been a while since I went and watched some short track racing. I'll put it on my list to do this summer

 

[Leo]

what NASCAR should be - production cars modified for racing. Not a bunch of bed frames with decals and stickers. (they still use carbs in NASCAR?)

I agree, and if the car was front wheel drive on the assembly line, that is how it should be run on the track, we might see a lot more interesting innovation. Remember the Aero back window Monte Carlos that were offered so they could compete against the Thunderbirds? Remember the Richard Petty Mopars? or the year he raced a Ford? Remember Junior Johnson getting caught with a 4/5 sized car with golf ball looking dents all over it to cheat the wind? The Ford Thunderbolts?

I kind of like motorcycle hill climbs. They still race whatever they develop, you might see a 1960's BSA in a frame the guy made himself, followed by a twin cam, 16 valve 4 cylinder with all the hi tech bits, followed by a sportster engined rig, and they all have figured what it takes to make it to the top. Devils staircase in Ohio is pretty exciting.

 

[Spear Dane]

NASWHAT?

 

[edporch]

NAPCAR now allows fuel injection.

And I bet it's NASCAR "fixed in place" fuel injection that doesn't allow each team to innovate with their carburetion to get an edge over the competition?
After all, it wouldn't be "fair" if one team had more innovative engine people on their team.
"Parity" while doing everything possible to stifle innovation is the prime directive.

 

[Ingomike]

And it is still down.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/27/nascar-racing-fans-sponsors-viewers.html?recirc=taboolainternal

When the Wall Street tail started wagging the dog was the catalyst for most of the beefs presented in this thread.

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