The Real Costs of Electric Car Ownership - CNET

[indyblue]

???

All I see is an article about craftsman tools history.

 

[Doug]

A friend of mine had one of their crescent wrench battery carriers. Just lay it across the terminals for a few seconds and pick up the battery by the wrench. The battery has to be fully charged and you have to wear gloves because the wrench gets hot.

 

[Leadeye]

Duke Energy is teaming up with the City of Bedford to construct some charging stations in town.

A republican dominated local government cannot resist free money for being part of the latest rage in virtue signaling.

Construction for electric vehicles charging stations underway in Bedfordhttps://static.wixstatic.com/media/f8831f_f7c61a71a9e546d5b094c07ab8efd331~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_1000,h_750,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/f8831f_f7c61a71a9e546d5b094c07ab8efd331~mv2.j

BEDFORD - DECEMBER 27, 2023 - The construction of electric charging stations are underway in Bedford.Photo: The construction of electric vehicle charging stations in the City of Bedford has begunThe Bedford Board of Works approved for the agreement with Duke Energy to bring an electric vehicle...

www.lczephyr.org

Somebody in leadership must have purchased a shiny new electric car.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Kentucky:

(Reference Kentucky Revised Statutes 131.130, 138.220, and 138.226)

Electric Vehicle (EV) Charging Station Tax​

Beginning on January 1, 2024, EV charging station owners and lessees must pay a combined excise tax and surtax fee of $0.03 per kilowatt hour of electricity used to charge EVs. The tax will be added to the selling price charged by the station operator. If the station operator provides free electricity, they will be responsible for paying the tax on stations installed after June 30, 2022. The station operator must report total kilowatt hours distributed, tax amount collected, and provide payment to the state monthly. Beginning December 1, 2024, the Kentucky Department of Revenue must compare the tax rate to the most current quarterly National Highway Construction Cost Index 2.0 (NHCCI 2.0) annually. Beginning on January 1, 2025, the tax rate must be adjusted annually to match the NHCCI 2.0 change, up to a maximum 5% annual increase or decrease.

(Reference Kentucky Revised Statutes 186.010 and 189.282)

Electric Vehicle (EV) Fee​

Beginning January 1, 2024, in addition to standard vehicle registration fees, EV owners must pay an annual fee of $120 and hybrid electric vehicle and electric motorcycle owners must pay an annual fee of $60.

 

[BluePig]

???

All I see is an article about craftsman tools history.

Try this one
This is what I get for doing this from my phone.

 

[Ingomike]

Try this one
This is what I get for doing this from my phone.

This is the base article as well.

Winter & Cold Weather EV Range 10,000+ Cars

The bad news is that all electric cars experience some degree of range loss in cold weather. The good news is that this range loss is temporary.

www.recurrentauto.com

 

[actaeon277]

Kentucky:

well, the government isn't going to give up a loss of income.
They'll find a way.

 

[Leadeye]

Watched the testing of a tractor trailer rig that was all electric, the numbers stated that it had a range of 250 miles on a charge time of 1.5 hours. It wasn't clear if that was in town or over the highway, and they did admit that the numbers had been generated by an empty trailer.

How far can the average rig run with an empty trailer?

 

[DFacres]

I haven't used a debit card in 15 years just for that reason. I have had my card information stolen on a few occasions.

Debit card the bank has 60 days to give you YOUR money back.

Credit card they just deny the charge and it costs you NOTHING.

Yep, my CC just got hacked w/11 attempts for purchases from California, Kansas, to NY. Uber eats, AMC movie theater tix etc. It cost me zero…just waiting on the replacement cards after the hacked one got the freeze put on it

 

[smokingman]

Out of curiosity, does a Tesla use any magnesium parts?

From what I understand a few. The bigger problem(fire hazard wise) will be when magnesium batteries(not in a Tesla currently or any other mainstream electric cars) become widely used.

 

[jamil]

Watched the testing of a tractor trailer rig that was all electric, the numbers stated that it had a range of 250 miles on a charge time of 1.5 hours. It wasn't clear if that was in town or over the highway, and they did admit that the numbers had been generated by an empty trailer.

How far can the average rig run with an empty trailer?

Idunno. I'm not a trucker, but even a software engineer can do some simple math. 250 miles of range empty? 1.5 hours to charge? So even empty they have to stop every 4 or so hours for 1.5 hours? I don't know how that could be practical for longer ranges.

I think the only viable use case is shorter hauls within 100 miles or so where charging can be timed to have less impact. Of course if they did do long haul, some Truckers could probably fit in a lot of porn time.

 

[bwframe]

 

[Ingomike]

Auto-company investors watch their dollars as EV sales plunge

Top automakers are flushed with cash after a profitable year, but investors are skittish about buying in as poor electric vehicle (EV) sales and moderating car prices tarnish the future outlook of the industry, according to The Wall Street Journal.

www.wnd.com

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Idunno. I'm not a trucker, but even a software engineer can do some simple math. 250 miles of range empty? 1.5 hours to charge? So even empty they have to stop every 4 or so hours for 1.5 hours? I don't know how that could be practical for longer ranges.

I think the only viable use case is shorter hauls within 100 miles or so where charging can be timed to have less impact. Of course if they did do long haul, some Truckers could probably fit in a lot of porn time.

It's completely viable if technology gets to the point you don't need a human driver. Interstate driving is the easiest for self driving technology. I would not be surprised if over the next decade or so we see trucks that operate like military surveillance drones. A human controls them for 'take off and landing' sorts of things and they run themselves the rest of the time. Imagine a 'pony express' route for trucks. The computer drives it along the interstate from charge to charge. The last charge before it needs to get into city traffic to get to a warehouse or whatever, a human operator takes over.

We are going to automate ourselves out of jobs eventually, maybe not in our lifetime, but unless we bomb ourselves back in time technologically there's no other reasonable outcome.

 

[Leadeye]

It's completely viable if technology gets to the point you don't need a human driver. Interstate driving is the easiest for self driving technology. I would not be surprised if over the next decade or so we see trucks that operate like military surveillance drones. A human controls them for 'take off and landing' sorts of things and they run themselves the rest of the time. Imagine a 'pony express' route for trucks. The computer drives it along the interstate from charge to charge. The last charge before it needs to get into city traffic to get to a warehouse or whatever, a human operator takes over.

We are going to automate ourselves out of jobs eventually, maybe not in our lifetime, but unless we bomb ourselves back in time technologically there's no other reasonable outcome.

It's going to be interesting to see who the screwdriver and the priest go after when they crash.

 

[smokingman]

It's completely viable if technology gets to the point you don't need a human driver. Interstate driving is the easiest for self driving technology. I would not be surprised if over the next decade or so we see trucks that operate like military surveillance drones. A human controls them for 'take off and landing' sorts of things and they run themselves the rest of the time. Imagine a 'pony express' route for trucks. The computer drives it along the interstate from charge to charge. The last charge before it needs to get into city traffic to get to a warehouse or whatever, a human operator takes over.

We are going to automate ourselves out of jobs eventually, maybe not in our lifetime, but unless we bomb ourselves back in time technologically there's no other reasonable outcome.

How far back do you think the first time a loaded truck being hacked and plowing through a traffic jam will set us? It will happen.

 

[Wstar425]

Watched the testing of a tractor trailer rig that was all electric, the numbers stated that it had a range of 250 miles on a charge time of 1.5 hours. It wasn't clear if that was in town or over the highway, and they did admit that the numbers had been generated by an empty trailer.

How far can the average rig run with an empty trailer?

It all depends on the size of your fuel tanks but 300 gallons will get you 1500 miles or better. Going east down off the Rockies with a tailwind will be significantly better than going uphill west with a big head wind. Can refill 250 gallons in probably 15 minutes or less at any major truckstop, once you actually get to the pump……another story.

On another note, every semi built in the last 10ish years requires DEF although probably 90 percent of them will never enter Kaliforniastan. Very corrosive and a nightmare maintenance headache. Now, Kaliforniastan has a timeframe to eliminate all diesel trucks from the state, and I guess the rest of us are stuck with DEF. Oh, BTW, I hope you like your lettuce brown…..

Retiring from trucking 6/11/2024 and not a second too soon.

 

[Wstar425]

It's completely viable if technology gets to the point you don't need a human driver. Interstate driving is the easiest for self driving technology. I would not be surprised if over the next decade or so we see trucks that operate like military surveillance drones. A human controls them for 'take off and landing' sorts of things and they run themselves the rest of the time. Imagine a 'pony express' route for trucks. The computer drives it along the interstate from charge to charge. The last charge before it needs to get into city traffic to get to a warehouse or whatever, a human operator takes over.

We are going to automate ourselves out of jobs eventually, maybe not in our lifetime, but unless we bomb ourselves back in time technologically there's no other reasonable outcome.

Doubtful other than on southern, flat routes that have no adverse weather. Love to see how the driverless truck deals with Fourth of July pass in Northern Idaho, along with 3/4 of the rest of the country when the white lines are covered with snow and ice. Ever thrown iron on a semi?

Maybe Laredo to Phoenix or something like that. I’m retiring in in 6 months, but if I wasn’t I sure wouldn’t be losing any sleep over losing a truck driving job. Where I drive from Albuquerque to Salt Lake City, you’re lucky if you can find a gas station open with a working toilet at night. Outside of Moab, Utah good luck finding a charger for a car on that route. Hundreds of trucks a night run back and forth thru there. Never gonna be driverless, or electric. My route is 581 miles one way. The best “estimate” would leave me stranded on top of Soldier Summit, 100 miles southeast of SLC at 7500 feet. With all the hills I suspect far short of that.

 

[Wstar425]

How far back do you think the first time a loaded truck being hacked and plowing through a traffic jam will set us? It will happen.

Or a rolling roadblock to a stop, and hijack the cargo or entire truck? Didn’t Fast and Furious put out a documentary on this a while back?

 

[jamil]

It's completely viable if technology gets to the point you don't need a human driver. Interstate driving is the easiest for self driving technology. I would not be surprised if over the next decade or so we see trucks that operate like military surveillance drones. A human controls them for 'take off and landing' sorts of things and they run themselves the rest of the time. Imagine a 'pony express' route for trucks. The computer drives it along the interstate from charge to charge. The last charge before it needs to get into city traffic to get to a warehouse or whatever, a human operator takes over.

We are going to automate ourselves out of jobs eventually, maybe not in our lifetime, but unless we bomb ourselves back in time technologically there's no other reasonable outcome.

Unless some other technology displaces EV’s it’s going to overtake ICE eventually. And there are enough viable use cases for viable market now. But for political/ideological reasons, EV’s are being pushed into use cases they’re not well suited for yet.

All the major car manufacturers were pushing EV’s at the behest of ideologues, and not enough people like them. If the market can grow organically, it can be healthy through its evolution to maturity.

But. Idunno. ICE has been around for a long time, and it’s inevitable that a better technology will replace it eventually. I think electric motors is probably a better technology. It’s the whole battery thing that makes EV’s a problem now. I think it’s going to be transitional and won’t live as long as ICE did before the next big technology comes along.