The Tea Party will support a big government loving nominee..

[johenz]

The CP is not an alternative in Indiana. They do not have ballot access and can't run candidates. They have years and years of work ahead of them if they wish to even become a vote splitting factor.

Come help us mrjarrell. We have plenty of room.

 

[mrjarrell]

Come help us mrjarrell. We have plenty of room.

Nope. I don't want to impose a theocracy on the people of this country. That's something that lies at the very core and foundation of the CP. Just look to their leader.

 

[johenz]

A theocracy is the last thing we want.

 

[Delmar]

I've said several times it will be either a Democrat or Republican elected in November 2012. While none of the Republicans really excite me, ANY of them would be better than what we have now. Not perfect, but not Obama. The perfect candidate does not exist, and it is too late for wishful thinking we can go back to the Republic we were given by the Founders.

It is sad, but it also is reality.

Unfortunately "I guess he is better than that other bum" is not typically the way to generate enough excitement to unseat an incumbent.

 

[flagtag]

Unfortunately "I guess he is better than that other bum" is not typically the way to generate enough excitement to unseat an incumbent.

Then, I guess, the way to do it is to point out (constantly) the negatives of the incumbent. As far and as wide as possible. Don't let anyone forget the damage that Obama has done to our country.

(And let any candidate know that we expect the Constitution to be honored and OBEYED by them and the rest of government.)

 

[spearheadersarge]

God help us if Oblamo gets another 4 yrs. I can see bad things coming, worse than we have endured so far. With another term, he will go for broke to pass every kooky idea the progressives have ever thought of. Taxes will skyrocket on everyone, not just "the rich" and the America that most of us have known will slide into the dark night of us realizing too late that we allowed it to happen. We all should be dedicating ourselves to stop this at all costs!

 

[hornadylnl]

Then, I guess, the way to do it is to point out (constantly) the negatives of the incumbent. As far and as wide as possible. Don't let anyone forget the damage that Bush has done to our country.

(And let any candidate know that we expect the Constitution to be honored and OBEYED by them and the rest of government.)

FIFY. How do you think Obama won?

 

[hornadylnl]

God help us if Oblamo gets another 4 yrs. I can see bad things coming, worse than we have endured so far. With another term, he will go for broke to pass every kooky idea the progressives have ever thought of. Taxes will skyrocket on everyone, not just "the rich" and the America that most of us have known will slide into the dark night of us realizing too late that we allowed it to happen. We all should be dedicating ourselves to stop this at all costs!

We should have dedicated ourselves many moons ago. We're teetering off of the cliff now and I see very little possibility of putting it in reverse.

 

[88GT]

No argument from me that the Dems are a disaster. And no argument from me that Republicans are not a whol lot better. I would argue that there are other choices available and that there's no need to choose the "lesser of two evils". Until folks lose their irrational fear of so-called "vote splitters", nothing's gonna get any better. Here's the alternative I found:

The Constitution Party of Indiana

Nothing "irrational" about it. It's a simple mathematical phenomenon. It's the reason Burton retained the nomination in 2010. It's the reason Coats won it. It's the reason Clinton won (twice????).

Yeah, yeah, I know. If enough people voted for the better candidate, we wouldn't have to worry about it.

Newsflash: what ifs don't mean diddly. And there are far too many people whose allegiance is to the party, not principles. I worked for Hostetler's campaign last year to help him get the signatures for ballot access. I spoke with a lot of people. And you could tell the ones who were involved in politics because of principle and the ones who were just Republicans by tradition, or habit.

We who understand at the deeper level are such a minority. Until you change the definition of "average" Republican from party loyalist to principled Constitutionalist, NOTHING will change. You can "what if" and point fingers at the people you think are sell-outs all you want. But you're fighting the wrong people if you think the ones who recognize a difference between conservatives and Republicans are your enemy. It's the ones who think they still mean one and the same that need your attention.

On a side note: this is a perfect illustration of why government education needs demolished.

 

[flagtag]

FIFY. How do you think Obama won?

Race. Revenge.

 

[spearheadersarge]

I will agree with the race thing being why Obama won. Indiana fell with the voters of Gary and Indy (Marion Co) tipping the balance. Obama played on all the hope n change crap and people fell hook, line, n sinker. He told everyone what he wanted to do, "Spread it around!" and no one listened! Just ask yourself, are you better off today than you were 4 yrs ago? Unemployment sky high, quantitative easing making everything cost more, gasoline outrageous, and Obamacare and taxes scaring the hell out of everyone. Can we stand another 4 years of him? I wouldn't wish that on anyone!

 

[flagtag]

Towards the end of the school year here, my bus aide (monitor) admitted that he voted for Obama. I had to listen to him "witch" (mis-spelled) and gripe about "being taken" by the "hope & change" thing. But, he won't do anything about it (Speak out, write letters to the editor, etc.) so I told him to keep his trap shut and "do it right" the next time. (BOY! am I glad that school is finally out!) (Fingernails on the blackboard effect listening to him! )

 

[hornadylnl]

Race. Revenge.

One of his biggest campaign platforms was that he was the anti Bush.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Race. Revenge.

Revenge against who? The Republicans?

 

[Kutnupe14]

One of his biggest campaign platforms was that he was the anti Bush.

I think that if you had put up Barney the Dinosaur as the anti-Bush candidate, he would have won. I think Obama was a slick candidate that looked good and talked well. He happened to be in the perfect position to be elected.

 

[flagtag]

Revenge against who? The Republicans?

Republicans, Bush, "the establishment"/"the "man"", the system (those who "had")- whatever the socialist were telling them. Remember the woman saying something to the order of: "I won't have to pay my mortgage, buy gas for my car" (because she was led to believe that if she supported Obama, she would get a "free ride".)

 

[Kutnupe14]

Republicans, Bush, "the establishment"/"the "man"", the system (those who "had")- whatever the socialist were telling them. Remember the woman saying something to the order of: "I won't have to pay my mortgage, buy gas for my car" (because she was led to believe that if she supported Obama, she would get a "free ride".)

I think that is one of the most mis-quoted, mis-interpreted instances on the net. The amount of spin given to the Peggy Joseph clip is ridiculous.

 

[flagtag]

I think that is one of the most mis-quoted, mis-interpreted instances on the net. The amount of spin given to the Peggy Joseph clip is ridiculous.

You will notice that I wrote "on the order of". I did see the video of her saying the words suggesting that she would never have to worry about paying for those things, but I did not quote exact words.

The interpretation is obvious. She didn't think that she would have to pay her debts because she would help put Obama in office. I will try to find the link to the video. If someone else finds it before me, please post it.
(P.S.: I bet she is "ticked off" about losing her "free ride" - at our expense) Oh, and there was another one where a woman said that Obama "would pay for it" - or similar words. When asked where that woman thought the money would come from, she said "Obama". I'll see if I can find that one too.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jl I hope I got that right. Actually, all you have to do is type in her name (and video) and it will go right to it.

 

[88GT]

You will notice that I wrote "on the order of". I did see the video of her saying the words suggesting that she would never have to worry about paying for those things, but I did not quote exact words.

The interpretation is obvious. She didn't think that she would have to pay her debts because she would help put Obama in office. I will try to find the link to the video. If someone else finds it before me, please post it.
(P.S.: I bet she is "ticked off" about losing her "free ride" - at our expense) Oh, and there was another one where a woman said that Obama "would pay for it" - or similar words. When asked where that woman thought the money would come from, she said "Obama". I'll see if I can find that one too.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jl I hope I got that right. Actually, all you have to do is type in her name (and video) and it will go right to it.

I disagree. And I'm as quick to think poorly of his supporters as the next guy. I think this woman genuinely thought that the economic picture would be so hunky-dory rosy that she wouldn't have to struggle to pay her debts. I do not think she was making any claim that she was no longer obligated to pay them.

Who knows? And chances are she'll never 'fess up to the truth if it is what you claim.

 

[Kutnupe14]

You will notice that I wrote "on the order of". I did see the video of her saying the words suggesting that she would never have to worry about paying for those things, but I did not quote exact words.

The interpretation is obvious. She didn't think that she would have to pay her debts because she would help put Obama in office. I will try to find the link to the video. If someone else finds it before me, please post it.
(P.S.: I bet she is "ticked off" about losing her "free ride" - at our expense) Oh, and there was another one where a woman said that Obama "would pay for it" - or similar words. When asked where that woman thought the money would come from, she said "Obama". I'll see if I can find that one too.

You quoted, which meant that you attributed those words to someone else. Obviously that someone else was Peggy Joseph.

Having someone say that they "don't have to pay" vs "don't have to worry," is a big difference IMO. I saw her statement as meaning that she expected the Obama to fix the economy so that she and other Americans would have an easier time paying their mortgages or putting gas in their vehicles.... things that Americans still worry about (Obama's a failure, yes). Keep in mind that Peggy Joseph indicated that she had a mortgage (meaning she wasn't in govt housing) and a car. I would call that atypical for the average moocher. She attended a campaign rally, which again I think is atypical for the average moocher. She took her children out of school to also attend the rally, atypical.

You, and others, are assuming she had a "free ride," and expected Obama to keep delivering on that. Unfortunately, one can not qualify that belief when someone simply states "I won't have to worry."

Guess what, if Ron Paul is elected, I will worry less about the financial difficulties many Americans are having right now. I think he could fix the economy, and make it easier for people to keep their homes and gas tanks filled. Does that mean I expect Ron Paul to start writing checks to citizens? Certainly not.

But maybe Peggy did mean what you thought, but by her words alone, that's quite a leap to make.