The U.S Voting Systems

[patience0830]

Thumb in indelible ink maybe?

Yup. Vote in person. National holiday. Thumbprint on the ballot. Count is publicly viewable in real time and it takes as long as it takes. Caught cheating? Cut off your dominant hand.

 

[drillsgt]

In my extremely white county, voting took me less than 5 minutes from the time I parked the truck. My friends in Marion County waited for longer than 3 hours.

Having to wait that long is really unacceptable. Voting should be quick and easy. Making productive citizens stand around and do nothing for hours on end when they could be working is a waste.

Volume was an issue i'm sure, but even here in Hancock County when the line was pretty short we waited longer than necessary because of their covid nonsense.

 

[drillsgt]

Yup. Vote in person. National holiday. Thumbprint on the ballot. Count is publicly viewable in real time and it takes as long as it takes. Caught cheating? Cut off your dominant hand.

One person at the polls, one vote, I can get behind that. Not sure about the whole hand though maybe like a finger lol.

 

[Ingomike]

Perhaps it would be instructive to make a comparison between the population of your county and that of Marion county. Could the difference be related to sheer volume?

Voting locations are county controlled and population seems not to be the common denominator, rather democrat leadership. Voting in populous Marion county was tough, the worst was low population Madison county 5 hour lines, while republican led counties seems to have their act together.

 

[indyblue]

In my extremely white county, voting took me less than 5 minutes from the time I parked the truck. My friends in Marion County waited for longer than 3 hours.

Having to wait that long is really unacceptable. Voting should be quick and easy. Making productive citizens stand around and do nothing for hours on end when they could be working is a waste.

I tried to do early voting, but the lines were too long the whole time the early polling places were open (only 4 places in the county until Lucas opened up). I waited until election day and got in, parked, stood in line, voted, and out in ~8 minutes.

 

[BugI02]

is exactly the fundamental purpose of government.

Voting could be easy.
Voting could be secure.

Because it isn't, one has to assume it is by design.

Actually, I think it is more like voting can be easy, fair or secure, you can have any two

 

[Libertarian01]

This is why paper ballots are more secure. However, you have to make it correctly. The basic thought is you vote at the machine and it prints out two (2) paper ballots. You review each to confirm accuracy. One goes into the voting box and the other goes home with you.

That is a simple way to confirm your vote and watching the paper go into the box shows that at least at the voting station your vote counted. Security and transport then become issue, along with who counts. However, having two (2) people from different parties double count would take a lot longer but also insure a more accurate count.

In the worst case everyone in a disputed precinct can bring in their paper ballot they were handed and see it counted in front of them.

Not electric. Not fancy, but it would get the job done a bit more securely.

Regards,

Doug

 

[AtTheMurph]

Thumb in indelible ink maybe?

I've said this since I saw that is what Iraq did after Sadaam.

 

[hoosierdoc]

there is no problem. known hacked voting systems used. ballots delivered by a union who endorsed a candidate. Head of a voting machine company joins the transition team.

zero fraud. despite several dem candidates for pres saying these machines are not secure and susceptible to fraud just last year

 

[NKBJ]

We have zero means of ascertaining the validity of the reported numbers.
Biden could have received 90% or Trump could have received 90% and you wouldn't know it.
And that may be the desired effect.

 

[foszoe]

It's pretty easy to create a better system. Go to a Defcon hacker conference and offer a large sum of money for who ever could develop the most secure and user friendly voting system.

Then offer gigantic cash bounties and employment options for anyone who could defeat this system. Do this repeatedly, do constant testing and penetration testing.
Encourage people to try to rig and cheat it with bounties offered.

With enough time you will have a system that is so robust that the undertaking involved to game or cheat the system would be so absurdly tedious and useless that hacking it wouldn't accomplish anything.

You also won't need poll workers anymore, and you will have far more enfranchisement.

Requiring the code to be open source would be a step in the right direction

 

[Tombs]

Requiring the code to be open source would be a step in the right direction

I just have faith in the people who try to break **** for a living and a hobby to be the best possible people to create a system.

I've seen them play doom on your typical electronic voting machine in a matter of minutes after getting their hands on it. They could literally do that during an election and get away with it, lol.
https://www.salon.com/2019/08/14/ha...chines-used-across-the-u-s-play-doom-nirvana/

 

[foszoe]

I just have faith in the people who try to break **** for a living and a hobby to be the best possible people to create a system.

I've seen them play doom on your typical electronic voting machine in a matter of minutes after getting their hands on it. They could literally do that during an election and get away with it, lol.
https://www.salon.com/2019/08/14/ha...chines-used-across-the-u-s-play-doom-nirvana/

So do I. Open source would give everyone a chance to peak under the hood.

 

[hoosierdoc]

We have zero means of ascertaining the validity of the reported numbers.
Biden could have received 90% or Trump could have received 90% and you wouldn't know it.
And that may be the desired effect.

exactly

 

[Tombs]

Canada is mocking us

 

[CampingJosh]

Canada is mocking us

Yet when I talked about the need for paper ballots back in August, you mocked me.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ate-police-body-cameras-cabinet-position.html

 

[Tombs]

Yet when I talked about the need for paper ballots back in August, you mocked me.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ate-police-body-cameras-cabinet-position.html

That was more on the topic of mail-in ballots.

And back then I had no idea our electronic voting machines were as complicated as they are. I had a little more faith that people had a clue what they were doing, which is completely gone now.

 

[jamil]

there is no problem. known hacked voting systems used. ballots delivered by a union who endorsed a candidate. Head of a voting machine company joins the transition team.

zero fraud. despite several dem candidates for pres saying these machines are not secure and susceptible to fraud just last year

If you’re involved at any level in the election, and you think one of the candidates is literally Hitler, a threat to democracy itself, you’d be immoral not to join the resistance and try to stop it by any means within your capabilities. ***damn straight these kinds of elections are suspect. But what is suspect is often not provable.

I don’t think it’s possible to have ideologue free election supervision. There’s always going to be bat **** crazy activists involved. Probably the best we could do is making election tabulation as transparent as possible. Maybe mandatory body cams on anyone who handles ballots and those supervising them. With audio/video feeds electronically monitored, and alarms when a feed is down.

 

[hoosierdoc]

exactly. That's why the left and media work so hard to demonize us. Then anything they do is justified. EXACTLY what Hitler did to the Jews. And yes, it's 100% appropriate to compare the two of these. We're in the early 1930s now. No gas chambers have been built yet. You cannot dismiss my comparison because we're not yet at the endpoint of where it leads.

If you’re involved at any level in the election, and you think one of the candidates is literally Hitler, a threat to democracy itself, you’d be immoral not to join the resistance and try to stop it by any means within your capabilities. ***damn straight these kinds of elections are suspect. But what is suspect is often not provable.

I don’t think it’s possible to have ideologue free election supervision. There’s always going to be bat **** crazy activists involved. Probably the best we could do is making election tabulation as transparent as possible. Maybe mandatory body cams on anyone who handles ballots and those supervising them. With audio/video feeds electronically monitored, and alarms when a feed is down.

 

[Ingomike]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to h

exactly. That's why the left and media work so hard to demonize us. Then anything they do is justified. EXACTLY what Hitler did to the Jews. And yes, it's 100% appropriate to compare the two of these. We're in the early 1930s now. No gas chambers have been built yet. You cannot dismiss my comparison because we're not yet at the endpoint of where it leads.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to hoosier doc again...