The USA has the best healthcare system in the world & I am going to change that!

[Richard]

Anyone else listening to "the messiah's" national medical association speech? I can't believe that educated people (who should know better) are applauding this socialist assclown's plan to destroy our nations healthcare system.

 

[SavageEagle]

Yea, I seen it at McDonalds today whilst feeding the kids. I think I freaked some obamanites out when I flipped off the TV and said "Talk all you want, we don't want Canadian Healthcare you IDIOT!"

Some guy behind me was rollin, but a bunch of other people were giving me dirty looks. Of course it could have been the gun on my hip too. Either way... Damn zobamamites!

 

[JNT0421]

Hopefully his "plan", I don't care which version, will never pass.

 

[bigus_D]

It is undisputed that the US spends far more than any other country on healthcare. What is not clear is that we have "the best" healthcare system in the world.

I haven't read the entire report, but the World Health Organization puts the US in 37th amongst the 191 countries measured.

note: I don't mean to suggest that I am in any way a proponent of socialized health care, but I do believe there are problems with our current system.

 

[Liberty's Teeth]

Right...the WHO puts us at 37th.

 

[Lucas156]

WHO? Sounds like a reliable organization....kinda like the UN....

 

[SavageEagle]

WHO? Sounds like a reliable organization....kinda like the UN....

UN-WHO?

 

[turnandshoot4]

We have an higher infant mortality rate than Cuba.

Just sayin.

 

[JNT0421]

We have an higher infant mortality rate than Cuba.

Just sayin.

Why do you think that is? Could it be the crack-addicted women on welfare, still having babies??

 

[turnandshoot4]

Could be. I do think we have a portion of our population driving down our IQ rates, healty baby rates, and overall well being of the nation.

I just found the fact intresting.

 

[SavageEagle]

Interesting? Yea. Explainable? Certainly. Crack babies, scared kids having babies in back alleys/their homes/on the streets, mothers not taking care of themselves during pregnancy... etc etc etc.

 

[turnandshoot4]

It is actually tied to the lack of PRENATAL care. Low income do not do it or can not afford it.

As well as a large number of other things like smoking, obesity, alchohol use, and lack of exercise. So it's not all illicit drugs, some are legal.

 

[Richard]

It is actually tied to the lack of PRENATAL care. Low income do not do it or can not afford it.

As well as a large number of other things like smoking, obesity, alchohol use, and lack of exercise. So it's not all illicit drugs, some are legal.

As far as I am aware every low-income "mother to be" can get WIC simply by asking for it.

 

[SavageEagle]

As far as I am aware every low-income "mother to be" can get WIC simply by asking for it.

Yup. My wife was on it before I met her. She also got 2 weeks of TANIF after we were kicked from our apartment aswell. You only get so much TANIF, like 6 weeks worth, in your entire life.

 

[turnandshoot4]

That is after you have the baby.

WIC feeds the baby when they come out. Not while they are in. I had said that PRENATAL is where there are many short comings in care. This is when the baby is developing as well. Which can lead to birth defects. I.E. low survival rates.

 

[turnandshoot4]

I seem to have jacked this thread. I am currently studying pregnancy and the such in nursing school. Sorry everyone.

Back to the U.S. healthcare system!

Who here thinks that we don't pay for the poor's healthcare?

 

[Richard]

That is after you have the baby.

WIC feeds the baby when they come out. Not while they are in. I had said that PRENATAL is where there are many short comings in care. This is when the baby is developing as well. Which can lead to birth defects. I.E. low survival rates.

Are you positive? I mean WIC's website says that they provide prenatal as well as postnatal care.

 

[turnandshoot4]

I might be wrong. I went to WIC's website and saw that they gave food. Not much else. Would they cover doctor's visits? I am not sure.

 

[bigus_D]

Richard,

I am curious about what part of the plan you feel is going to destroy our health care system.

This is not a topic a follow as much as I probably should... I'm in my early 30's and social security is what really scares me right now (i think I could do better with my money if I had it in my own pocket right now... and when I say "pocket" I mean my investment in seeds for money growing trees ). Honestly though, if I still had all that money my mortgage would already be paid off and I'd not be paying any interest on anything... think about those savings!

I digress...

Back on topic!

...

What I mean is, all I've really heard about "his" "plan" is that there would be government insurance that would 'compete' with the current private insurance that exists. I hear lots of people say this is bad ('socialism')... and I understand that government provided health care is socialistic... but how exactly will this impact me? I pay for my own health insurance, and expect that I'll prefer my insurance over the government's plan so I'll continue to use it.

Health care will continue to be provided in the "free market" (and I understand that is a BIG set of quotation marks!). So how would this impact my cost or availability of options?

Will this increase my premiums somehow because my insurance company will no longer be able to compete with the really efficient government program? Will my taxes go up or will this plan replace currently existing government programs that cover the uninsured?

Or... it could be that I've missed something or don't understand anything about it. I am sincerely curious about this topic and would love to read some serious dialog on the specifics.

 

[Beau]

Richard,


What I mean is, all I've really heard about "his" "plan" is that there would be government insurance that would 'compete' with the current private insurance that exists. I hear lots of people say this is bad ('socialism')... and I understand that government provided health care is socialistic... but how exactly will this impact me? I pay for my own health insurance, and expect that I'll prefer my insurance over the government's plan so I'll continue to use it.

Health care will continue to be provided in the "free market" (and I understand that is a BIG set of quotation marks!). So how would this impact my cost or availability of options?

Will this increase my premiums somehow because my insurance company will no longer be able to compete with the really efficient government program? Will my taxes go up or will this plan replace currently existing government programs that cover the uninsured?

Or... it could be that I've missed something or don't understand anything about it. I am sincerely curious about this topic and would love to read some serious dialog on the specifics.

I do not know to much about this either. The first thing that came to mind though when you asked your question was this.

If there is government funded health care, available to anyone. Why would private companies be compelled to waste time and money to participate in a health care plan? The government will take care of this for them. So now your left with either purchasing your own health care, unassisted by the company you work for. Or you can use the government health care system.

The companies that do still offer a health care plan will be able to reduce their wages paid because so many people will want to work for a company that has a health care plan they will accept a lower wage.

Again I could be totally off base but it's the first thing that came to mind that made sense.