The Vatican supports complete civilian disarmament

[96firephoenix]

Vatican's politics =/= my politics

Vatican's religion = my religion

I will listen to the Vatican on well-explained matters of Doctrine and Dogma, but not so much on non-religious matters

 

[neraph]

Vatican's politics =/= my politics

Vatican's religion = my religion

I will listen to the Vatican on well-explained matters of Doctrine and Dogma, but not so much on non-religious matters

Just FYI, the jist of the thread to this point is that the Vatican doesn't support "complete civilian disarmament", but some sensationalists in the USCCB and CNS do.

 

[rhino]

Evangelium Vitae was published in 1995.
Evangelium vitae - Ioannes Paulus PP. II - Encyclical Letter (1995.03.25)

P. 55: "Moreover, "legitimate defence can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another's life, the common good of the family or of the State". Unfortunately it happens that the need to render the aggressor incapable of causing harm sometimes involves taking his life. In this case, the fatal outcome is attributable to the aggressor whose action brought it about, even though he may not be morally responsible because of a lack of the use of reason. "

OUTSTANDING!!! Thank you for finding the document and an excellent quote from it! Thank you, sir.

Pope JP II was a great man.

PS I apologize for getting the wrong decade!

 

[rambone]

I've come to the conclusion that centralized establishments of any kind are not in our best interest; be it centralized government or centralized cultural leaders like the pope/Vatican. I think they are too easily corrupted and too easily turned against the groups that they lead. Somebody with an agenda takes power, uses his influence for nefarious purposes, and the whole organization looks bad. I'd rather be a part of a group that is small and independent.

 

[rambone]

Vatican Spokesperson Endorses U.S. Gun Control, "Calls For Disarmament"

Time for an update. The sinister Vatican is pushing hard to influence our politics and freedoms.



Vatican spokesman endorses Obama gun-control plans : News Headlines - Catholic Culture

“The initiatives announced by the United States government in view of limiting and controlling the diffusion and use of arms are certainly a step in the right direction,” said Father Federico Lombardi in his weekly editorial commentary for Vatican Radio. Noting that 47 American religious leaders had issued a call for stricter control on firearms, Father Lombardi said flatly: “I’m with them.”

The Vatican spokesman conceded that firearms are “instruments for legitimate defense.” But he observed that they are also “used to bring threats, violence, and death.” He said that Church leaders will “repeat tirelessly our calls for disarmament.”

 

[rambone]

Dozens of Catholic Leaders Call for Gun Control

A bunch of prominent leaders pushing for totalitarian control of guns.

Catholic Leaders' Letter to Vatican Calling for Gun Control
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[rambone]

Former Vatican Ambassador: "Make gun control part of a pro-life stance"

George H. W. Bush's ambassador to the Vatican: Make gun control part of a pro-life stance

Along with another retired U.S. ambassador to the Vatican, Miguel Diaz, I recently joined more than 60 prominent Catholic theologians, priests and sisters who are challenging pro-life elected officials to show more political courage when it comes to confronting gun violence. In particular, we urged our fellow Catholics in Congress who earn top ratings from the National Rifle Association to put the common good before powerful special interests.

 

[rambone]

Official Catholic Newspaper: "Repeal the 2nd Amendment"

WTF

>>> Repeal the Second Amendment | America, The National Catholic Review

Repealing the Second Amendment will not create a culture of life in one stroke. Stricter gun laws will not create a world free of violence, in which gun tragedies never occur. We cannot repeal original sin. Though we cannot create an absolutely safe world, we can create a safer world. This does not require an absolute ban on firearms. In the post-repeal world that we envision, some people will possess guns: hunters and sportsmen, law enforcement officers, the military, those who require firearms for morally reasonable purposes. Make no mistake, however: The world we envision is a world with far fewer guns, a world in which no one has a right to own one. Some people, though far fewer, will still die from gun violence. The disturbing feeling that we have failed to do everything in our power to remove the material cause of their deaths, however, will no longer compound our grief.

The Supreme Court has ruled that whatever the human costs involved, the Second Amendment “necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.” The justices are right. But the human cost is intolerable. Repeal the Second Amendment.

 

[Hookeye]

I think some Catholics need to use birth control.

 

[PistolBob]

if everyone was christ-like, we wouldn't need guns.

True dat!

 

[Expat]

I think the Catholic Church needs to spend more time getting its own house in order rather than telling me, a non-Catholic, what I can own.

 

[PistolBob]

“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
― Fulton J. Sheen

 

[rhino]

Sorry ... duplicate (essentially) from what I posted earlier. I thought this was a new topic.

The new pope is likely to make this worse given his order, country of origin, is probably a socialist, and the connection via all to "liberation theology."

 

[Sfrandolph]

I'm Catholic so I think that gives me the right to make this statement. The Church has been one of the biggest war mongerers in history. Just look at the Crusades. They were instigated by the Church and funded by the Church. The Church doesn't live in the USA and deal with the crime and tyranny. The Church is enclosed in the Vatican with its own armed guards. Don't tell me to do one thing and the Church does something else. That doesn't compute.

 

[Notavictim646]

"However, we believe that in the long run and with few exceptions -- i.e. police officers, military use -- handguns should be eliminated from our society."[/

Takes all kinds i guess. I believe We need people who are willing lay down their arms and take a bullet for what they believe. I am not as willing as some.

 

[rambone]

The Vatican calls for World Government

The Vatican isn't simply content with global civilian disarmament. It wants the full New World Order. The Vatican Council has spelled out its vision of having a "Global Public Authority" and a "Central World Bank" in a detailed report from 2011. Also note the reference to building a "new humanism."

Official Vatican Report: Towards Reforming Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of Global Public Authority

From a gilded palace filled with idols and deception, the Vatican conspires about an agenda for complete control of humanity under a collectivist global government.



More articles:

The Vatican Calls for World Government | Forbes

Vatican Council Calls for World Government, Central Bank | The New American

 

[giovani]

Religion is mind control, period.
Why is anyone surpised

 

[Degtyaryov]

Unsurprising. They've been about control for the past 2000 years.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Once again, all the statements quoted are opinions of officials (and others) in the Roman Catholic Church. They aren't "policy" and they aren't Church Dogma. We Roman Catholics are free to act within established Church Law and none of the above statements are Church Law. IF the Pope issues an Ex Cathedra statement to the effect that Catholics may not own or use guns for self-defense, THEN you can say the Roman Catholic Church is against civilian ownership of guns. Until then, it's just an excuse for some of you to bash an organization you have other negative issues with. So **** off.

 

[mbills2223]

I figured there'd be plenty of bashing in here.