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  • RAnderson

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    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]There Is No Freedom of Choice in America[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]by Don Cooper[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]by Don Cooper[/FONT]

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    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]We have no freedom of choice in America; it’s an illusion. The federal and state governments regulate every single market in this country which means that everything any American thinks he is freely choosing is something that in fact has been “approved” by the state for American consumption and Americans may only “choose” from that list. Choosing something not on the “approved” list is considered criminal and can result in one losing their freedoms altogether. That’s not freedom of choice, that’s state control of people’s lives. If the last two sentences were said in the context of a communist regime, no one would hesitate to nod acceptingly, but when uttered in the context of the U.S. government, they are considered to be conspiratorial and paranoid, but are true just the same. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]How many people have been arrested and imprisoned for selling goods and services that are not “approved” by the federal government? Our prisons are full of such people who have harmed no one socially, economically or physically but whose freedom has been taken away by the state for giving people real choice. If one were to see such a scene in a movie about communist Russia, no doubt Americans would cringe and utter something about the abusive nature of communism. When it happens in the U.S. then Americans assume the person in question must have deserved it otherwise why would he be in prison.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]A lot of people don’t realize that during communism in countries like Romania, they held presidential elections as well every so many years and the people were told that they could “choose” the president. Thing was: all the candidates belonged to the communist party so there would always be a communist president and communism would persist. In order for someone from the communist party not to be elected, a second party would somehow have to get on the ballot and in 1990 this finally happened.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The sad, disappointing and frustrating thing is that we have the same situation here in America but the pixy-dust-sniffing majority in this country doesn’t realize it. Last presidential election I voted for the candidate of my choice, Ron Paul, and the state of Georgia threw my vote away because Ron Paul was not an official state-approved candidate. He had not done what the state decided he would need to do to be on the ballot so therefore he was not considered an “official” candidate and was not on the ballot. If you chose to vote for him as a write-in, then they simply did not count your vote.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]How is having only two major parties who are always on the ballot and an election system designed by the state to keep those two parties in power and which makes it almost financially and logistically impossible for other parties to get on the ballot so much different from the communist system of having only one party on the ballot and an election system that makes it financially and logistically impossible for other parties? There’s no freedom of choice in selecting our government. We as Americans are constantly voting for the lesser of two evils and seem to be content to do so.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Well how about in the market place then? Surely we must have freedom of choice in the market place. Look at all the choices we have to choose from. Unfortunately, this is a big negative as well. Just because there are a hundred different types of food or drugs, for example, from which to choose, in reality you can only choose from the ones that the state has approved for you.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The FDA is a federal agency with an annual budget in 2010 of $3.2 billion and is planning on hiring another 1,200 new employees to help construct the list of state-approved food and drugs (see, the government can create new jobs).[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Now I’ve heard the argument a thousand times: sure the FDA is a government agency and it’s not perfect but without an agency like the FDA there would be harmful foods and drugs on the market that people would voluntarily choose to purchase and people could be maimed, sickened and even die. We need the FDA. Regulating food and drugs is too big a job, only the federal government has the resources to do it. Thank God for the FDA![/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]This argument assumes a couple of things. First, that the FDA has found the gold at the end of rainbow so the government already has the financial resources necessary to pay for their activities and so that money doesn’t have to come from the people. Secondly, that the FDA is in fact not staffed with people from the same social pool that says the federal government already has the necessary resources to regulate food and drugs but rather with wizards that posses special magical powers that the rest of us don’t and can somehow determine the “goodness” of foods and drugs for human consumption. It assumes the FDA doesn’t even need humans to determine the human effects of foods and drugs. They can simply dip a piece of litmus paper into a sample and if it turns red then it is not state approved.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Of course this is not the case. The FDA has only the resources that they take from the private sector in the way of taxes, debt, inflation and manpower. Furthermore, it conducts clinical trials on humans who volunteer to participate. Basically, that means that the FDA gets volunteers to try new foods and drugs and then they sit back and watch what happens. If the volunteers have bad side effects, like their heads turn purple, their hair falls out, they are maimed, sickened or die, then the FDA disseminates this information to the public and the food or drug is not approved for sale in the U.S. and so people have no choice: they cannot buy it even if they wanted to.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Compare this to a new food or drug appearing in the market place and people voluntarily choosing to buy it and consume it. If people have adverse side effects to the new good then this information will be disseminated naturally by the market and people will choose to stop buying it.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]A famous example of this was the Tylenol poisoning case of 1982 in which someone went into stores in the Chicago area and laced extra strength Tylenol capsules with potassium-cyanide. The first death occurred on September 29, 1982. Within 6 days, and completely of its own accord, Johnson & Johnson had recalled all its bottles of extra strength Tylenol with a retail market value of some $100 million. By November of the same year, Johnson & Johnson had already re-engineered its pill bottle packaging – a new triple-sealed package – and within a year Tylenol was once again a major competitor in the market place.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]What was the FDA doing during this time? Sitting on its hands trying to figure out who to blame and seeing what kind of new packaging Johnson & Johnson came up with so they could copy it and modify their food and drug packaging regulations accordingly and take the credit for keeping Americans safe. As with any government agency, the FDA didn’t want this crisis to go to waste so they also used it to expand their budget and payroll. After all, with the new regulations they would need more people and money to enforce them.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In the end the FDA cannot do anymore than the market can do in identifying harmful foods and drugs. In fact, historical evidence shows that the market does a better, faster and more efficient job of identifying these things than the FDA. The FDA is always one step behind the markets. Reacting and taking the credit at a cost of $3.2 billion to the tax payer and limiting real freedom of choice in America.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]January 23, 2010[/FONT]​
     

    dross

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    My beef with the FDA is all the people who die waiting for drugs to be approved that are currently being used around the world, and then, after that costly and uncertain approval process after which the government gives it's stamp of approval, if there is a successful lawsuit the FDA is exempt, and the company still has to pay. Either let individuals make their own choices, or grant civil immunity after FDA approval. How does the government constantly exempt itself from the standards it denounces businesses and individuals for.
     

    gund

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    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The FDA has only the resources that they take from the private sector in the way of taxes, debt, inflation and manpower. Furthermore, it conducts clinical trials on humans who volunteer to participate. Basically, that means that the FDA gets volunteers to try new foods and drugs and then they sit back and watch what happens. If the volunteers have bad side effects, like their heads turn purple, their hair falls out, they are maimed, sickened or die, then the FDA disseminates this information to the public and the food or drug is not approved for sale in the U.S. and so people have no choice: they cannot buy it even if they wanted to.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Compare this to a new food or drug appearing in the market place and people voluntarily choosing to buy it and consume it. If people have adverse side effects to the new good then this information will be disseminated naturally by the market and people will choose to stop buying it.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]A famous example of this was the Tylenol poisoning case of 1982 in which someone went into stores in the Chicago area and laced extra strength Tylenol capsules with potassium-cyanide. The first death occurred on September 29, 1982. Within 6 days, and completely of its own accord, Johnson & Johnson had recalled all its bottles of extra strength Tylenol with a retail market value of some $100 million. By November of the same year, Johnson & Johnson had already re-engineered its pill bottle packaging – a new triple-sealed package – and within a year Tylenol was once again a major competitor in the market place.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]What was the FDA doing during this time? Sitting on its hands trying to figure out who to blame and seeing what kind of new packaging Johnson & Johnson came up with so they could copy it and modify their food and drug packaging regulations accordingly and take the credit for keeping Americans safe. As with any government agency, the FDA didn’t want this crisis to go to waste so they also used it to expand their budget and payroll. After all, with the new regulations they would need more people and money to enforce them.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In the end the FDA cannot do anymore than the market can do in identifying harmful foods and drugs. In fact, historical evidence shows that the market does a better, faster and more efficient job of identifying these things than the FDA. The FDA is always one step behind the markets. Reacting and taking the credit at a cost of $3.2 billion to the tax payer and limiting real freedom of choice in America.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]January 23, 2010[/FONT]​

    Horrible horrible article. Good point maybe, horrible argument, horrible example.

    1. FDA does not conduct clinical trials. Private companies, universities, other people who feel like it, conduct clinical trials. To even dare to state such an obvious lie kind of throws the whole article in question. There are many drugs the FDA doesn't regulate. They regulate drugs that are advertised to treat medical conditions only, among other things. Any company want to claim they have a drug that can cure cancer, they better back it up by conducting clinical trials.

    2. Arguing that the efficacy of drugs sold for medical purposes is easily determined by the general public by giving the Johnson and Johnson example is just plain wrong.

    The tylenol was laced with cyanide. It killed or incapitated people nearly immediately. Most medical drugs with possibly horrible side effects are unlikely to be that obvious. Example, Vioxx.

    Was the FDA wrong to approve tylenol? No. Did Johnson and Johnson find the cyanide? No, the guy who died from it basically lead to it. Did some Johnson and Johnson initiative prevent the deaths? No. All they did was design a better container after the fact. How does the example show what is stated? It doesn't.

    Imagine if tylenol kills people in 10 years. No matter what, you take tylenol, you will die in 10 years. This means there will be millions of people dead before the side effect appears. Oh yeah, then the market learns and stop buying tylenol. That's real useful there. Horrible argument.

    3. Makes an extreme claim that in history, the market is "[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]better, faster and more efficient"[/FONT] at identifying harmful food and drugs, yet gives ZERO evidence of this.

    I'm not saying the main premise is wrong. I'm just saying the argument is full of holes.
     

    gund

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    There are many problems with the FDA. But they are due to undue political influence (example: plan B), or due to undue influence from the "free" market (example: generic drug scandal, where companies bribed FDA officials), or fraud (example, companies submitting false clinical trial data).

    I don't know what is best. But I'm sure just closing down the FDA is worse than right now.
     

    DustinG

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    The FDA prevents people with fatal diseases from taking unapproved treatments. If you were dying wouldn't you be able to try an experimental treatment? Even if the FDA unapproved drug does not work, you would die anyway. So why is there all this red tape that has to be crossed?
     
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