They used the R word

[sloughfoot]

You cannot be serious? The same ones running the left, are the sameones spear point of the GOP party, NeoCons = Trotskist/Communist.


This november will come, undoubtled the blue left will get a heat, but the red neocons who are doing much to bring about Communism will certainly gain more power.

And then the average "rocket scientist" American, will be left wonder a year later "wut happen..."

I see no hope until Americans look at the the communist, and those "undocumented people of the left" playing republicans, and give justice to America.

With all due respect, I don't know what the hell you are talking about.

I never mentioned a political party, right, left or otherwise.

I believe in the fundamental wisdom and power of the individual American Citizen. I don't know what party they might vote for, but I believe that they will vote for the individual that will mirror their wishes.

I just dont know what that wish is. The America that I grew up in and believe in, or the America that has been forced down my throat the last year and a half.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

With all due respect, I don't know what the hell you are talking about.

No offense taken.

Im saying, right or left, as far as Party is concerned, we're going to get the same crap forced down on us.

All that I see now, Pelosi, Obama, that little freak Lindsey Graham, and all host of others, it reminds me of a cheap soap opera, nothing but drama.

I'll say this, HOW THE EFF CAN A MAJORITY OF AMERICANs' Will not be pushed into law, but every nasty liberal agenda is able to pass with practically zero opposition.

In a Nation that is mainly Conservative, this should not fundamentally occur, but it is.
And it's because the Democrats are nothing more than grown up Communist, fighting daddies war, and the GOP has been hijacked by those same-type of people.

I never mentioned a political party, right, left or otherwise.

Im speaking to the group. To the INGO commentator, to the Internet lurker.
To every hoosier who can see the world for what it is, and not what they're told it is.

I apologize if it appears I used you directly as a punching bag.

I believe in the fundamental wisdom and power of the individual American Citizen. I don't know what party they might vote for, but I believe that they will vote for the individual that will mirror their wishes.

Look at America brother. Obama didnt get elected by farts in the air magically proclaiming him King. Idiotic Americans were bamboozled by him, but more than anything Bush undoubtedly made many of those voters want something else, and foolishly they believed Obama.

Same will happen, and it will happen again.

Until we GET REAL AMERICANS.

Some regular joes. Some people who will look at the Elites and tell them to go eff themselves, while they cut down they're power, and we plant a fence on the mexican border with American traitors hanging high - figuratively speaking (Drama)

I just dont know what that wish is. The America that I grew up in and believe in, or the America that has been forced down my throat the last year and a half.

Nope, you will never again see the America you grew up in. Your children, they're children will undoubtedly face a world similar to those of 3rd world conditions.

I wish I could have your optimism, truly. But I feel the Elites are too strong, and the average American is either too cowardly, or too darn dumb to even spot Waldo.

I come to INGO, because I do see some very intelligent people, who I pray to my Gods, prove me wrong. I live for a better America, it allows me the peace to know when Im gone, My children will not face a sinister world, because my generation and it's priors were too cowardly to stand for what is right.

 

[sloughfoot]

And my ultimate question remains...What if, what you and I want the United States of America to be, if what we think the US of A is and represents, is rejected by the majority of American voters?

If they truly want, what the present group in apparent power, want. (The very idea that they think they have POWER is offensive to me)

If those of us who think like you and I do, are truly, now in the minority as proven in the upcoming election.

Then what?

It is why I am awaiting the decision by THE PEOPLE in November.

I still have faith in the power and wisdom of the American people.

Stay tuned for further details.

 

[sloughfoot]

Nordicheathenvinlander; I just reread your post. I didn't really respond to all of your points. I don"t think we are too far apart in our viewpoints.

I will let it lie there.

I still believe that November will decide it, then we will make our own decision on how to move forward.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

And my ultimate question remains...What if, what you and I want the United States of America to be, if what we think the US of A is and represents, is rejected by the majority of American voters?

If they truly want, what the present group in apparent power, want. (The very idea that they think they have POWER is offensive to me)

If those of us who think like you and I do, are truly, now in the minority as proven in the upcoming election.

Then what?

It is why I am awaiting the decision by THE PEOPLE in November.

I still have faith in the power and wisdom of the American people.

Stay tuned for further details.

Then call me intolerant brother. Because America is no place for those types no matter what.

Founders were clear in what America was intended to be, and that dream has been abused for a long time.

 

[model67a]

Hope

I believe we can at least take some hope and find some optimism in the fact that some members of the gang that has taken possession of our government are starting to defect. There are more and more members opening their eyes and seeing what is going on. I believe a prime example of this is our own senator Evan Bayh. He observed what was happening and couldn't tolerate any more. I am a confirmed conservative but i really like and respect Bayh.

 

[sloughfoot]

I believe we can at least take some hope and find some optimism in the fact that some members of the gang that has taken possession of our government are starting to defect. There are more and more members opening their eyes and seeing what is going on. I believe a prime example of this is our own senator Evan Bayh. He observed what was happening and couldn't tolerate any more. I am a confirmed conservative but i really like and respect Bayh.

Yes sir, again backing up what I say about my faith about the American people.

Those who have been elected to represent us are members of the American people too.

Those that understand the American ideal don't want to throw it away for their children or grandchildren. It wouldn't make any sense for a man to say, things are good now, but I want my grandchild to be a slave to his/her government.

I don't believe that those in Washington are evil, but they may be temporarily mislead.

Yes, I am optimistic.

 

[Joe Williams]

I believe we can at least take some hope and find some optimism in the fact that some members of the gang that has taken possession of our government are starting to defect. There are more and more members opening their eyes and seeing what is going on. I believe a prime example of this is our own senator Evan Bayh. He observed what was happening and couldn't tolerate any more. I am a confirmed conservative but i really like and respect Bayh.

I don't find hope in that. I find it even more alarming. Even those who hold the reigns appear to feel that they cannot reverse the tide, and are getting out while they can rather than be part of what may be an irreversible slide.

 

[Ironsights]

I don't find hope in that. I find it even more alarming. Even those who hold the reigns appear to feel that they cannot reverse the tide, and are getting out while they can rather than be part of what may be an irreversible slide.

Those that are getting out are those who are afraid to have the light shine on them. Once they stand under the light of truth, they can't win. The truth is ugly, and people don't like to look at themselves when they know that what they have done is ugly.
We need people running that we can believe in in. Plain and simple.
I hear people complaining, I see people posting complaints. But, ask yourself, why is it that you complain, but do nothing?
If you are hungry, you stand up, and make yourself a meal. If you are thirsty, you stand up, and make yourself a drink. If you are threatened, you stand up, and make yourself defend.
You want a politician whom you can believe in. Stand up.

Do you honestly believe that George Washington, Davy Crockett or Daniel Boone wanted to be in politics? They saw what needed to be done, and they served. This is why so many men of military background in the past became politicians. They were men who served their country. We need men of honor, (not just those who served in the military) who believe in Old Glory, to stand up and do what needs to be done. Not with guns, but with truth.

DC is rife with dishonesty. But, it can be changed. All it takes is the right man to stand up for what is right. All is takes is one man to refuse to make backroom deals. One man to pull the others aside, one by one, and say "Hey, this isn't how it's supposed to be done!" One man can make a difference. The seeds of despair were planted in this nation, and allowed to grow. All we have to do is dig up those weeds and plant the seeds of truth and honor. But it's gonna take us getting on our knees, getting dirty, and doing the hard work that needs to be done!

 

[Expat]

I think Evan Bayh was uncomfortable with what Obama was doing to our country. But I think he was more concerned with his future than the country's future. He knows that when America wakes up to a Socialist country there is going to be a reckoning. Any politician that was part of this debacle will be consigned to the ash heap of history. So he ran away to protect his future political viability rather than stand and fight for this country.

 

[Ironsights]

I think Evan Bayh was uncomfortable with what Obama was doing to our country. But I think he was more concerned with his future than the country's future. He knows that when America wakes up to a Socialist country there is going to be a reckoning. Any politician that was part of this debacle will be consigned to the ash heap of history. So he ran away to protect his future political viability rather than stand and fight for this country.

And that is exactly why he should stay out. He ran away. I would rather back a man that stood in the fire trying to save us, than a man who ran to protect himself, so that he can stand on the ashes and loot what is left.

Only one problem: They aren't burning the house down. They're gutting it, and remodeling. There won't be anything left to rebuild. It will just be a new layout in the old structure.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

This.


But this thread is being watched. Be very careful where it treads.

Oh, Mom, you give us far too much credit.

IBTFL.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I avoid advocating violence.

I will note, however, that the right to abolish or institute new government is already self-contained within our Constitution.

Boy, those guys had some SERIOUS foresight.

 

[ATOMonkey]

Sadly, I don't believe the majority of the people desire liberty anymore. They wish to be coddled, because freedom frightens them. The chance of failure scares them so much, that they are more than willing to serve a master who will dole out their basic needs, rather than be a free man who relies upon himself.

This is not a new attitude in America either. Ever since the depression, people have been so afraid of repeating that time, that they have gladly given up their liberty in order to have their masters in DC promise them a secure future.

The greatest generation mortgaged the future for what they perceived to be security, both financially, socially, and physically. The baby boomers followed in lock step, giving us the Great Society, after their parents gave them a New Deal.

Our generation has given us Federally controlled school, medicine, and charity. Now the reaper has come to collect our debt.

There is no future if we trust in men. We can not turn this tide. The hordes who fear personal responsibilty that comes with freedom will not diminsih, but will only multiply. Our only hope now lies with God.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Sadly, I don't believe the majority of the people desire liberty anymore. They wish to be coddled, because freedom frightens them. The chance of failure scares them so much, that they are more than willing to serve a master who will dole out their basic needs, rather than be a free man who relies upon himself.

This is not a new attituge in America either. Ever since the depression, people have been so afraid of repeating that time, that they have gladly given up their liberty in order to have their masters in DC promise them a secure future.

The greatest generation mortgaged the future for what they perceived to be security, both financially, socially, and physically. The baby boomers followed in lock step, giving us the Great Society, after their parents gave them a New Deal.

Our generation has given us Federally controlled school, medicine, and charity. Now the reaper has come to collect our debt.

There is no future if we trust in men. We can not turn this tide. The hordes who fear personal responsibilty that comes with freedom will not diminsih, but will only multiply. Our only hope now lies with God.

Spot-on assessment.

 

[Ironsights]

Sadly, I don't believe the majority of the people desire liberty anymore. They wish to be coddled, because freedom frightens them. The chance of failure scares them so much, that they are more than willing to serve a master who will dole out their basic needs, rather than be a free man who relies upon himself.

This is not a new attituge in America either. Ever since the depression, people have been so afraid of repeating that time, that they have gladly given up their liberty in order to have their masters in DC promise them a secure future.

The greatest generation mortgaged the future for what they perceived to be security, both financially, socially, and physically. The baby boomers followed in lock step, giving us the Great Society, after their parents gave them a New Deal.

Our generation has given us Federally controlled school, medicine, and charity. Now the reaper has come to collect our debt.

There is no future if we trust in men. We can not turn this tide. The hordes who fear personal responsibilty that comes with freedom will not diminsih, but will only multiply. Our only hope now lies with God.

I believe in God, but I don't believe that he is our only hope left. Remember, The Lord helps those who help themselves. We have the tools.
Yes, people are afraid to fail. Take away the security blanket, and let them fail. It's the only way to show them how to grow up.
It's an unpopular thing to say or do, but we need to get back to basics, and teach the leaches to stand on their own.
To say that "Our only hope now lies with God" is to hide under a security blanket just like the rest of those who refuse to fend for themselves.

 

[ATOMonkey]

The Lord absolutely helps those who help themselves, but our Revival, not Revolution, will begin in the churches, not government.

 

[ATOMonkey]

Merely changing the laws or the structure of government will not change the attitude of the people.

We must first change our philosophy of what it means to be a free American before we can begin to affect government.

If we do not change WHO we are as a people, then the political tides will continue to ebb and flow.

The solution is not a political one. The solution is much more simple, and begins in our homes with our children, and in our communities with our neighbors.

 

[ultraspec]

I think obama already knows that what the article said is being talked about. You guys did notice how he is pushing through the ability to shut the internet down for up to 90 days based on a whim right?

 

[ATOMonkey]

If they shut down the interwebz, it would only hurt their Statist cause. People would be begin to gather at bars and churches, just like the old days, instead of just BSing on the web.

The last thing the Statists want is actual crowds of people.

Best to keep them in front of keyboards where they can't be seen and can be written off as the lunatic fringe.