Trooper in deadly Montgomery County shooting identified, but questions remain

[KG1]

Thats why I said hearsay. Take it with a grain of salt.

I did. No knock intended on your relaying what was over heard. I meant if it’s true that would certainly be messed up.

 

[Foxxwoof]

 

[long coat]

I wonder if the 2nd police car was his white car in front of the SUV?
I have no idea why they would take him to Brownsburg, if they are talking about the new Hospital at 74 and Ronald Reagan, it's small.
That's if it was true.

 

[Coach]

I have witnessed an officer giving conflicting commands to a person. "Put your hands on the trunk." "Pull up your pants." It went back and forth between the two different commands a number of times. The person was trying to comply but pissing the officer off more and more because he could not do both at the same time. Not a serious situation as no gun was involved and I was able to calm the situation down by taking over the pat down process and give the officer a chance to step back and calm down. The whole situation was from the standpoint of "you can't make this stuff up."

I could see how conflicting commands could happen and be a disaster. I am not saying that is what happened at all, but I could see how it could happen.

 

[churchmouse]

I have witnessed an officer giving conflicting commands to a person. "Put your hands on the trunk." "Pull up your pants." It went back and forth between the two different commands a number of times. The person was trying to comply but pissing the officer off more and more because he could not do both at the same time. Not a serious situation as no gun was involved and I was able to calm the situation down by taking over the pat down process and give the officer a chance to step back and calm down. The whole situation was from the standpoint of "you can't make this stuff up."

I could see how conflicting commands could happen and be a disaster. I am not saying that is what happened at all, but I could see how it could happen.

This has happened on some of the LEO shows on the box. Multiple commands being thrown out by people obviously amped up on natural body chemistry. Confusion reigns. 1 individual sending out confusion is just hard to imagine.

 

[bwframe]

Wonder what kind of a timeline we are looking at for investigations into this?

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Wonder what kind of a timeline we are looking at for investigations into this?

It took a year for me to go to Grand Jury and 23 months to be cleared by my department. Not sure how quick/slow it is in smaller counties.

 

[HoughMade]

There is no "timeline". It takes as long as it takes.

 

[bwframe]

It took a year for me to go to Grand Jury and 23 months to be cleared by my department. Not sure how quick/slow it is in smaller counties.

Wow. Were you on restricted work duty for all that time?


And thank you so much for the professional insider information. ​
This is invaluable to INGO.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

There is no "timeline". It takes as long as it takes.

Yes. There are billable hours to be generated here. It is in no one's best interest to get this wrapped up prematurely.

 

[HoughMade]

Yes. There are billable hours to be generated here. It is in no one's best interest to get this wrapped up prematurely.

At least SOMEONE understands.

But seriously, folks, as a crazy, but relatable example, there are criminal law attorneys (defense and prosecution) who believe that the second biggest mistake the prosecution made in the OJ/Nicole murder case was rushing to file charges and to trial.

You don't wait to start investigating, but you don't rush to reach a conclusion either.

 

[cordex]

That would be messed up if true and I don’t recall ever hearing about an instance of a LEO giving a command for someone to unholster their own firearm.

Happened to me during a traffic stop in Clayton back in '04 or '05. Cop asked me to put my (then holstered) guns on the passenger floorboard and exit the vehicle.

 

[CHCRandy]

Happened to me during a traffic stop in Clayton back in '04 or '05. Cop asked me to put my (then holstered) guns on the passenger floorboard and exit the vehicle.

Geeze, this reminds me of the time Deputy Frank Harris about shot me in Clayton. If he had been jumpy, I would have died that night.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Wow. Were you on restricted work duty for all that time?


And thank you so much for the professional insider information. ​
This is invaluable to INGO.

No. My shooting was pretty cut-and-dry so I was only off the street for 19 days.

 

[Mgderf]

I just can't get past the fact that Rightsell was shot in the face.
I'm pretty sure that not one agency trains to shoot in the face.
Every agency I can think of trains to shoot center-mass.

Can someone please offer a scenario where the "perp" would be face-shot?

 

[Route 45]

I just can't get past the fact that Rightsell was shot in the face.
I'm pretty sure that not one agency trains to shoot in the face.
Every agency I can think of trains to shoot center-mass.

Can someone please offer a scenario where the "perp" would be face-shot?

Some training includes failure drills. Two shots to the body, 1 to the head.

Personally, if I'm in a close-quarters fight for my life, I'll be doing everything I can to insert an HST into the other guy's noggin. Body shots with pistols are weak sauce.

Probably not applicable to this particular situation, but those are 2 scenarios that I can think of.

 

[CHCRandy]

No. My shooting was pretty cut-and-dry so I was only off the street for 19 days.

Is that the only shooting you have been in? Sucks when someone forces you into that position. Thank you sir for your service to the people....you are a good man.

 

[Denny347]

I just can't get past the fact that Rightsell was shot in the face.
I'm pretty sure that not one agency trains to shoot in the face.
Every agency I can think of trains to shoot center-mass.

Can someone please offer a scenario where the "perp" would be face-shot?

When you heal the pistol grip and shoot high. What makes you think that was intended?

 

[Cameramonkey]

I just can't get past the fact that Rightsell was shot in the face.
I'm pretty sure that not one agency trains to shoot in the face.
Every agency I can think of trains to shoot center-mass.

Can someone please offer a scenario where the "perp" would be face-shot?

When you heal the pistol grip and shoot high. What makes you think that was intended?

Yep. a "high miss" of a body shot will do that.

 

[2A_Tom]

When you heal the pistol grip and shoot high. What makes you think that was intended?

So, are you saying that the officer could not hit what he aimed at?