Unlicensed shipping

[Otis]

My question is... Can a non licensed owner ship a handgun or a longgun to another non licensed person in the same state? Looking at the ATF answers it looks like you can. But I called a few gunshops and they say no.
Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.
[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]
Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

 

[ctbreitwieser]

I had this same problem a couple weeks ago. I had a friend of mine from Georgia buy my .243 and I did all the research to see how to ship it, but when I took it to the post office they told me I had to be an FFL holder to send it out. I told them I read the rules on their website (what you posted) and they still wouldnt let me do it.

So I took it to my LGS and he said the same thing. So now I have to have my LGS ship it his LGS and they both have to do paperwork on the sell. It doesnt make any sense, but thats the way it is.

 

[Scutter01]

Handguns: UPS or FedEX only.
Long guns: USPS, UPS, or FedEX.

This only applies to shipping to another Indiana resident.

 

[Otis]

Thanks, I didn't see the article in faq's. Would have saved me a lot of time if I would have!

 

[Scutter01]

The FAQ has a whole section dedicated to shipping.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...6185-ingunowners_faqs_sticky.html#post1324458

We're not lawyers, etc. etc.

 

[Otis]

I know your not lawyers but I know I can count on you to bust me out!

 

[asquires2]

I was told that a private owner could ship to a FFL dealer out of town as long as he puts a copy of his DL's in the package.

 

[Walt_Jabsco]

I was told that a private owner could ship to a FFL dealer out of town as long as he puts a copy of his DL's in the package.

That sounds like an awful, awful idea.

Get your gun and your identity stolen, all in one convenient package.

 

[Scutter01]

I was told that a private owner could ship to a FFL dealer out of town as long as he puts a copy of his DL's in the package.

According to the ATF FAQ as linked in my post above, you can ship directly to any FFL in any state (handguns via common carrier only). However, that wasn't the OP's question. And yes, you don't have to include your driver's license. That would be a horrible, horrible idea.

 

[angus6]

of course a shop will say no , They want to do the transfer

 

[marv]

My question is... Can a non licensed owner ship a handgun or a longgun to another non licensed person in the same state? Looking at the ATF answers it looks like you can. But I called a few gunshops and they say no.
Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.
[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]
Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

I saw this same thing on ATF website and couldn't believe what I was seeing.Re-read it and still couldn't believe. Called ATF. They said yes unlicensed persons can ship long guns INTRASTATE by USPS or common carrier, or any firearm by common carrier. I specificly asked if that included handguns and they said yes. I can understand why an FFL would say no. If he said yes he would shoot himself in the foot.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I had this same problem a couple weeks ago. I had a friend of mine from Georgia buy my .243 and I did all the research to see how to ship it, but when I took it to the post office they told me I had to be an FFL holder to send it out. I told them I read the rules on their website (what you posted) and they still wouldnt let me do it.

So I took it to my LGS and he said the same thing. So now I have to have my LGS ship it his LGS and they both have to do paperwork on the sell. It doesnt make any sense, but thats the way it is.

Had my post office told me that, I'd have asked to speak to the postmaster. Had that not solved the problem, I'd have taken it to the Postal Inspector(s). Had that not worked, the Postmaster General would have gotten a call... and had none of the above worked, I think I could find an attorney. Of course, just spending the extra $20 on a transfer fee at my LGS would have been far less expensive than the last step, but a few phone calls cost me nothing but time.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[ctbreitwieser]

Had my post office told me that, I'd have asked to speak to the postmaster. Had that not solved the problem, I'd have taken it to the Postal Inspector(s). Had that not worked, the Postmaster General would have gotten a call... and had none of the above worked, I think I could find an attorney. Of course, just spending the extra $20 on a transfer fee at my LGS would have been far less expensive than the last step, but a few phone calls cost me nothing but time.

Blessings,
Bill

I really wanted to make a bigger deal of it, but there were a lot of people in line behind me and I didn't want to waste their time. So I picked up my stuff and left. But before I left I mailed out my Form 4 for my M11/9. So at least I accomplished something.

 

[Otis]

The PO clerks have a chart that they can look at to see if it will ship. I have seen it and longguns can be shipped. Ask to see the chart.

 

[ctbreitwieser]

The PO clerks have a chart that they can look at to see if it will ship. I have seen it and longguns can be shipped. Ask to see the chart.

She pulled out a book of some sort and looked through it after I told her and she still said it couldn't be done. Oh well, just one of those days I guess. Luckily my LGS guy is taking care of it for me.

 

[citizenkane]

Just an FYI most dealers will NOT accept a firearm from an individual with some sort of ID. Just like when you sell an FFL a firearm they ask to see your ID and write down the info.