US Destroyer and Japanese merchant collide, 7 missing.

[2A_Tom]

Thanks to all of you navy guys for your insight.

I take back every bad thing I've ever sais about you rust picken, deck swabin', sqiids and bubble heads too.

Looking at the GPS tracking it almost lloks like the container ship attempted and succeded in atacking the destroyer.

 

[churchmouse]

Rip those killed. Thank you for your service.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[hoosierdoc]

Thanks to all of you navy guys for your insight.

I take back every bad thing I've ever sais about you rust picken, deck swabin', sqiids and bubble heads too.

Looking at the GPS tracking it almost lloks like the container ship attempted and succeded in atacking the destroyer.

How hard is it to hack an autopilot? They were fairly close to N Korea

 

[halfmileharry]

Rip those killed. Thank you for your service.

This can be said every day for our military personnel.
All volunteer. How much better does it get? They're the best.

 

[BugI02]

How hard is it to hack an autopilot? They were fairly close to N Korea

Think more deeply about the problem, doc. Not only does the container ship turn, but it alters course and speed to strike another ship which is itself smaller and also a moving target. To pull that off you would have to take real-time control of the ships navigation, know that a particular ship was US military, and steer this lumbering, slow to accelerate 'weapon' into a collision. And every man on that bridge and probably on that ship would know she was turning hard and accelerating hard as soon as it started to happen. Those with command responsibility not on the bridge would certainly be headed there after the first turn commenced, yet no one intervened

I'm inclined to believe deliberate action by the crew of some sort, based on what little I know so far

 

[spencer rifle]

Looking at the GPS tracking it almost lloks like the container ship attempted and succeded in atacking the destroyer.

Revenge for this, thinking in the LONG term?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway

 

[actaeon277]

 

[Birds Away]

Amen.

 

[actaeon277]

They are starting to find the missing sailors.

[video=youtube;WChTqYlDjtI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WChTqYlDjtI[/video]

 

[BugI02]

Once again sharpens the meaning of "In Harm's way" (the John Paul Jones version)

 

[Sylvain]

Revenge for this, thinking in the LONG term?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway

That was a ship from the Phillipines, not Japan.
The Phillipines were liberated by US forces during WW2.

 

[halfmileharry]

That was a ship from the Phillipines, not Japan.
The Phillipines were liberated by US forces during WW2.

Filipino world is turning upside down. Lots of drug problems, radical islam crap, political terrorism, the islands have changed.

 

[spencer rifle]

That was a ship from the Phillipines, not Japan.
The Phillipines were liberated by US forces during WW2.

Flagged Philippine, but operated by a Japanese company, Nippon Yusen K.K.

 

[Sylvain]

Flagged Philippine, but operated by a Japanese company, Nippon Yusen K.K.

The crew is probably from a third country, or a bunch of different countries like it's often the case.

I doubt it has anything to do with WW2 and Japanese citizens wanted to hurt US sailors.

 

[Birds Away]

I was hoping the initial post was some sort of weird attempt at levity.

 

[jkaetz]

Thanks to all of you navy guys for your insight.

I take back every bad thing I've ever sais about you rust picken, deck swabin', sqiids and bubble heads too.

Looking at the GPS tracking it almost lloks like the container ship attempted and succeded in atacking the destroyer.

Think more deeply about the problem, doc. Not only does the container ship turn, but it alters course and speed to strike another ship which is itself smaller and also a moving target. To pull that off you would have to take real-time control of the ships navigation, know that a particular ship was US military, and steer this lumbering, slow to accelerate 'weapon' into a collision. And every man on that bridge and probably on that ship would know she was turning hard and accelerating hard as soon as it started to happen. Those with command responsibility not on the bridge would certainly be headed there after the first turn commenced, yet no one intervened

I'm inclined to believe deliberate action by the crew of some sort, based on what little I know so far

The article I read suggested that the reported time of the collision was inaccurate. It hypothesized that the collision happened earlier while the ship was on auto-pilot with no one on the bridge. The autopilot corrected for the collision and continued on its way until the crew could get to the bridge and turn the ship around to see what they hit. Only time will tell what really happened.

 

[T.Lex]

I know I'm late to this, but with the damage to the US ship on the starboard side, and the damage to the container ship on the bow/port side (from the pic that I saw), it seems very peculiar.

As I've said to many people over the years, just being in the military has its own dangers. Training accidents, accidental accidents, and generally doing dangerous things with dangerous things makes for a dangerous work environment. Doesn't matter to me if a service member has been "in country" somewhere, the jobs are dangerous all on their own.

 

[Fargo]

I know I'm late to this, but with the damage to the US ship on the starboard side, and the damage to the container ship on the bow/port side (from the pic that I saw), it seems very peculiar.

As I've said to many people over the years, just being in the military has its own dangers. Training accidents, accidental accidents, and generally doing dangerous things with dangerous things makes for a dangerous work environment. Doesn't matter to me if a service member has been "in country" somewhere, the jobs are dangerous all on their own.

Based on the pics in Sylvain's link in post two and the track of the Crystal, it looks to me like the Crystal was overtaking the Fitzgerald and came in from behind at a shallow angle. The track also makes me really think the crew of the Crystal was definitely not on the bridge and was possibly heavily intoxicated.

 

[Birds Away]

I know I'm late to this, but with the damage to the US ship on the starboard side, and the damage to the container ship on the bow/port side (from the pic that I saw), it seems very peculiar.

As I've said to many people over the years, just being in the military has its own dangers. Training accidents, accidental accidents, and generally doing dangerous things with dangerous things makes for a dangerous work environment. Doesn't matter to me if a service member has been "in country" somewhere, the jobs are dangerous all on their own.

I made eight cruises, of at least six months duration, while I was in. We lost someone on every cruise except one. We lost people on some of the countless shorter underway periods as well. There are never any guarantees.

 

[actaeon277]

I made eight cruises, of at least six months duration, while I was in. We lost someone on every cruise except one. We lost people on some of the countless shorter underway periods as well. There are never any guarantees.

It was harder for us to lose someone underwater. Although they couldn't find me one time when I fell asleep on a steam pipe, and they searched the sub.
But.... on the surface, wow was it dangerous. We were literally just feet off the water's surface.