Warrantless bag searches in D.C. Subways

[Tactical Dave]

While there are other instances, the USA PATRIOT Act is unprecedented in stepping on individual rights and moving the U.S. toward a police state. The act was specifically written to thwart terrorism, yet it applies to U.S. citizens, not Bin Laden and his cronies. Thankfully, judicial scrutiny has ruled some of it unconstitutional.

Aside from the freedoms aspect, consider how much all this, and two wars, is costing the taxpayers. Don't even get me started on how much we spend on oil that finds it's way back to terrorist.

People can say thqat that act has helped stop home grown terrorists or terrorists not previously known but when you have people from one of the the alphabet agencies going to extremist churches asking for people to help in attacks then go after them........ and that was on NBC news!

 

[Pocketman]

... Maybe I have too much faith in the American People.
I believe that the vast majority of them see the Govt for exactly what it is.
Flawed, but the best system on Earth!!

Short of a benevolent dictator, it doesn't get much better. That's why people are trying to get in to the U.S.. Don't see too many leaving. That said, it is good that we have the right, and obligation, to challenge and replace our leaders.

 

[steveh_131]

I'm going to buy stock in Reynolds Aluminum.
You must go through tin foil at a frightening rate!!
Your continued insistence that America is a Police State has become very tiresome and to be quite frank, smacks of mental issues, even to a non Mental Health Care Provider like me.
IMO
You're loony!

Noun1.bias - a partiality that prevents objective consideration of an issue or situation

 

[E5RANGER375]

I've heard the same rantings from people when Nixon was POTUS, when Reagan was POTUS, and my Dad has told me the exact same words were spoken when FDR was POTUS.
Newspapers in the Southern States said the EXACT same thing about Lincoln!!
The "Doomsday Police Staters" have been around for a VERY long time.
The First Amendment gives them the right to speak their mind on such matters. It does NOT, however, require that I agree with, or tolerate those rantings.
Anyone who remembers The McCarthy Hearings will be familiar with what happens when people let a loon, like McCarthy, carry on about "the enemies all around us".
It wasn't until Edward R Murrow found the jollies to confront McCarthy's goofy beliefs that America became aware of the dangers of listening to political Doomsday Prophets.
Unfortunatly such things aren't taught in schools these days and we have a couple of generations out there who have NO idea of the political path that has led us to where we are today.
Maybe I have too much faith in the American People.
I believe that the vast majority of them see the Govt for exactly what it is.
Flawed, but the best system on Earth!!

I don't believe this government is the best system on earth. I believe the principles our Republic was founded on and the country itself is the best system on earth. I love America, make no mistake about it. but I dont like the socialist ideas that are being forced upon us by the government that go against everything American.
But when I go into a restaurant like dennys, and the manager is running it like crap, I don't curse dennys as a whole. I realize the fact that under new better management that particular restaurant would thrive.
I think you will understand my point from my illustration.

 

[RichardR]

I'm going to buy stock in Reynolds Aluminum.
You must go through tin foil at a frightening rate!!
Your continued insistence that America is a Police State has become very tiresome and to be quite frank, smacks of mental issues, even to a non Mental Health Care Provider like me.
IMO
You're loony!

*shrug* I don't think it's loony for citizens to A.) "be aware of" & B.) "be appalled at" the changes happening in this country.

 

[UncleMike]

I don't believe this government is the best system on earth. I believe the principles our Republic was founded on and the country itself is the best system on earth. I love America, make no mistake about it. but I dont like the socialist ideas that are being forced upon us by the government that go against everything American.
But when I go into a restaurant like dennys, and the manager is running it like crap, I don't curse dennys as a whole. I realize the fact that under new better management that particular restaurant would thrive.
I think you will understand my point from my illustration.

You're free to move to another "better" country.
Although I doubt if you'll be any happier there.
I'll just stay here and try to do my part to see that Americans have the right to change the Government through the Election process that The Founding Fathers so wisely set in place.
Rants about a "Police State" takeover are counterproductive to the American Dream and do nothing to further the cause of personal freedom.
Their only purpose is to foment dissent among the Citizenry.
(And the Members of this Forum!)

 

[Lucas156]

Im sorry UncleMike but I have to disagree with you here. The size of the government is expanding every day at a phenomenal rate and thats a fact! Do you not agree with that?

 

[dross]

You're free to move to another "better" country.
Although I doubt if you'll be any happier there.
I'll just stay here and try to do my part to see that Americans have the right to change the Government through the Election process that The Founding Fathers so wisely set in place.
Rants about a "Police State" takeover are counterproductive to the American Dream and do nothing to further the cause of personal freedom.
Their only purpose is to foment dissent among the Citizenry.
(And the Members of this Forum!)

I understand where you're coming from, and I do think this is still the best government on earth.

That said, do you not see the concern that a lot of people express on here? Combined with the fact that regardless of who we put in power, our freedoms seem to continue to erode.

 

[rambone]

I believe that the vast majority of them see the Govt for exactly what it is.
Flawed, but the best system on Earth!!

The foundations of America provide the best system on earth.

The current Federal Government is the biggest disaster on earth. We are in more debt than any country in the history of the planet. The size, intrusiveness, the innumerable laws, the ABC agencies, the needless bureaucracies... all have led us to this path. We are bankrupt. America has given up most of its freedoms. America as we know it is drastically changing.

It isn't just tinfoil idiots saying this. Read the news. Watch it happen before your eyes. We have these jerks looking in our bags. Government x-raying us at airports and with mobile x-ray vans. Our phones can be tapped at anytime. People like us are being put on watch lists. There are more bans and laws than anyone can keep track of. Government can shut down websites without any due process. Cops killing pets while they look for illegal plants. People being scared to exercise their 2nd amendment because of what the cops might do to them. We have checkpoints going up all over the place. How much more obvious could the Police State be?

 

[rambone]

UncleMike, What is your opinion of the bag checks?

 

[E5RANGER375]

You're free to move to another "better" country.
Although I doubt if you'll be any happier there.
I'll just stay here and try to do my part to see that Americans have the right to change the Government through the Election process that The Founding Fathers so wisely set in place.
Rants about a "Police State" takeover are counterproductive to the American Dream and do nothing to further the cause of personal freedom.
Their only purpose is to foment dissent among the Citizenry.
(And the Members of this Forum!)

MOVE???!!! are you freaking kidding me? I have served my country Sir, and I will not run now because there are domestic enemies who wish to see it burn. This is my home. I was born here, and I will be lucky enough to die here, unlike some of my brothers.

yep, I can tell you were a cop. MOVE ALONG PEOPLE! NOTHING TO SEE HERE!!! BY THE WAY, YOU DIDN'T SEE OR HEAR ANYTHING. Disturbing the peace or disorderly conduct is the most bull **** excuse cops use to arrest people. and that's exactly what your statement reminds me of.
What I am talking about is American in its purist sense. The founders didn't set in place anything even close to what we have now. They believed in SOVEREIGN STATES!!! not a sovereign government that could control what the states did in their own jurisdiction.
The framers DID set in place a way out if government became a detriment to its purpose and the American people.

you just don't want to see any problem because you are content with your life, collecting your retirement probly, and waiting on your final days. Well sir, I will NOT pass this cluster **** onto my daughters generation. I will NOT just stand by as so many generations of Americans, including yours have done and say "oh well" this is still the best place to live so I don't need to do anything". NO SIR! I dont care what has been discussed with past generations, or their lack of action. I am in the here and now, and I can see the way things are rapidly happening and I will bet my name and my existence that change IS coming in my lifetime. and America will again become great to its FULL potential because we will live as a true republic.

sure Mike, you are free now. free as long as you follow all the governments oppressive directives. I don't want partial freedom. I wanna live a free life, to where if I wanna dig a hole in my backyard I don't need to get it granted by the king, or be told how big to make it.

 

[E5RANGER375]

UncleMike, What is your opinion of the bag checks?

nothing to see here, please move along or go to jail

i think he has made it clear.

 

[UncleMike]

Im sorry UncleMike but I have to disagree with you here. The size of the government is expanding every day at a phenomenal rate and thats a fact! Do you not agree with that?

Yes, I do agree that the Federal Govt is usurping far too much power from the People.
That's why The Founding Fathers placed the Election Process in place.

I understand where you're coming from, and I do think this is still the best government on earth.

That said, do you not see the concern that a lot of people express on here? Combined with the fact that regardless of who we put in power, our freedoms seem to continue to erode.

Yes I do see the concern expressed here. I have many of those concerns myself.
However!
I object vehemently to statements that we are evolving into a "Police State".
We are doing no such thing.
We are simply evolving as a nation into whatever WE THE PEOPLE allow through our action, or inaction, in the Voting Booths.
Talk of the imminent demise of our country as a free nation is intended to rile the People into a frenzy.
The logical result of which is an armed insurrection.
This would obviously please the "Computer Commandos" here to no end. Then they could join in the mayhem, that they seem to relish so much, with complete abandon.
Unfortunately the spirit of Che Guevara is alive and well in a few disgruntled, and completely spoiled, people here.

 

[E5RANGER375]

Yes, I do agree that the Federal Govt is usurping far too much power from the People.
That's why The Founding Fathers placed the Election Process in place.


Yes I do see the concern expressed here. I have many of those concerns myself.
However!
I object vehemently to statements that we are evolving into a "Police State".
We are doing no such thing.
We are simply evolving as a nation into whatever WE THE PEOPLE allow through our action, or inaction, in the Voting Booths.
Talk of the imminent demise of our country as a free nation is intended to rile the People into a frenzy.
The logical result of which is an armed insurrection.
This would obviously please the "Computer Commandos" here to no end. Then they could join in the mayhem, that they seem to relish so much, with complete abandon.
Unfortunately the spirit of Che Guevara is alive and well in a few disgruntled, and completely spoiled, people here.

computer commando,

I did more than push a keyboard. also did more than sit in the drivers seat of a car for my whole career. so keep generalizing and I will too.

If you think I want mayhem, then you are wrong. what I want is the government to once again know their place and be in FEAR of the people, as was intended by our framers. not the people in fear of their government.
the election process is not the way we will accomplish this. Im open to any solution to avoid mayhem if it exist.

also, I worked HARD to own EVERYTHING that I have in this world. I dont owe no one a damn cent and I keep a humble lifestyle, but its all mine. and NO ONE gave **** to me mike! so dont suggest im spoiled.

 

[UncleMike]

nothing to see here, please move along or go to jail

i think he has made it clear.

I guess I'll leave it at that since you gave me all of six minutes from his post time to respond, and I missed my opportunity because I was answering another post.
I apologize for my lapse of diligence to your time constraints.
Please post the allowed time limits so that I, and others, will not violate your "rights" to be answered in a timely manner.

 

[96firephoenix]

there's prolly a disclaimer on the ticket... there is on the Chicommie transit authority tickets about being subject to whatever rules the CTA has made up and ever will make up.

 

[E5RANGER375]

I guess I'll leave it at that since you gave me all of six minutes from his post time to respond, and I missed my opportunity because I was answering another post.
I apologize for my lapse of diligence to your time constraints.
Please post the allowed time limits so that I, and others, will not violate your "rights" to be answered in a timely manner.

how could you disagree with the searches and agree with everything else you have stated? you either support the whole constitution or none of it. you cant piece it out. so do you support the whole constitution?

 

[Tactical Dave]

and NO ONE gave **** to me mike!

What about the clap????

 

[Expat]

I was talking to a Pakistani that I know fairly well. He says he was colonel in the military there (a couple times he said security forces, I don't know if that is considered the same thing). He told me that he and everyone he knows believes that Osama died a long time ago from natural causes (that kidney thing they used to talk about). I don't know if it is true or not but he seems to feel he is just a good bogey man for us to use in doing whatever we want in the world.

 

[E5RANGER375]

I was talking to a Pakistani that I know fairly well. He says he was colonel in the military there (a couple times he said security forces, I don't know if that is considered the same thing). He told me that he and everyone he knows believes that Osama died a long time ago from natural causes (that kidney thing they used to talk about). I don't know if it is true or not but he seems to feel he is just a good bogey man for us to use in doing whatever we want in the world.

he's probably in that guys basement

What about the clap????

hey now!!