What do you consider to be a greater threat to America? Terror, or Loss of Liberty?

[John Galt]

Bread and circuses! The terrorists are the distraction the government is using to keep our eyes off of the real threats to America, the bankers and the Fed. Do a little digging on the obligations these people have subjected America to with debt accumulation, inflation, and wealth distribution. Trillions and trillions of dollars created, printed and pledged, guess who gets stuck with the tab?

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” -
Thomas Jefferson

 

[ocsdor]

As far as I'm concerned it became too late for that and became our affair when they murdered several thousand of my countrymen, followed by the joyous celebrations and tens of thousands of them dancing in the streets. I want every last one of them dead.

 

[rambone]

Okay! Part 2 of this question. If >90% of you think losing your liberty is the greater threat, why do 50% of us always argue for more restrictions on our liberty, in order to "protect" our safety??

 

[6birds]

Okay! Part 2 of this question. If >90% of you think losing your liberty is the greater threat, why do 50% of us always argue for more restrictions on our liberty, in order to "protect" our safety??

Where did you get the 50% number from, or are you picking numbers out of the air again?

 

[ATOMonkey]

I'd say it's more than half. Republicans are just as likely to give up liberty for security as democrats are.

 

[Rizzo]

He who is not free to be harmed is not free.

 

[bigus_D]

Almost voted for terror, because so many of our liberties have already been lost (seemingly).

 

[machete]

uncomfortable question -- i know -- but if all the action was happening in NYC and DC -- and nobody knew how or why or what was going on --- how did the US media know to point cameras for reaction in other countries???

just because I cheer when Purdue loses doesnt mean I play for IU...

 

[jbombelli]

we have media representatives in every country and every major city in the world already. all they had to do was go outside and say "hey... what's going on?"

And I truly hope nobody means to imply that they cheer our loss that day.

 

[dross]

It's not an either/or question. Loss of liberty is certainly the more immediate and real threat, yet that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight attacks on our country.

Also, we may differ on what is anti-freedom and what isn't. To me, detaining enemy combatants in Gauntamo is not anti-freedom, yet many would say it is. So I see no compromise of freedom in the detention of enemy combatants without trial.

I also don't think it's anti-freedom if we subject non-citizens to invasive scrutiny when they travel into and within our country, or on our airliners.

I don't think it's anti-freedom when we have a list of terrorist cell phone numbers to monitor the traffic on those numbers, even when the call is connected to a U.S. citizen.

I mention these because these are some of the examples people use of giving up freedom for safety, and I don't think they apply.

That said, I think there are plenty of abuses of citizen freedom in the name of safety, and I oppose those, TSA searches being one of them.

Many of you like to bring up the founding fathers. Read about them. They suffered from many of these same dilemnas, and freedom suffered under some of the best of them. It's not an excuse, but if the vision of your world is a world that has never existed, you have to also question if it's a viable world, or if it just exists in your ideal vision.

 

[ATF Consumer]

uncomfortable question -- i know -- but if all the action was happening in NYC and DC -- and nobody knew how or why or what was going on --- how did the US media know to point cameras for reaction in other countries???

just because I cheer when Purdue loses doesnt mean I play for IU...

But people need to die for expressing what we have as a protected right in the first amendment..
I'd hate to think I should die for exercising a right...and wanting to kill someone for dancing. And I thought footloose was restrictive.

And tell me there were not any Americans dancing when they saw the bombs hit Iraq...

 

[Security122]

so 3 people so far have voted terror.

you 3 are douches

This is why you should read all the previous posts before posting!

I might have chosen "terrorist" but then it would have been 4 douches. Actually, I would have picked loss of liberty before reading any posts.

 

[88GT]

I'm terrorized at the loss of liberty. I cannot separate the two. Period.

i think youll find,,,that someone picked on them first,,,or the picking goes back between all of them--thousands of years...

anyway,,,their fight amongst themselves isnt any of our affair... let them sort it out...

Please, learn to use punctuation correctly. I rarely grouse about grammar rules on the internet, but this is just ridiculous. Of course, if you don't want to be seen as a pre-pubescent teenager, then disregard my plea. There is, however, little credibility to your content because your delivery is so whacked.

 

[Garb]

It's not an either/or question. Loss of liberty is certainly the more immediate and real threat, yet that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight attacks on our country.

Also, we may differ on what is anti-freedom and what isn't. To me, detaining enemy combatants in Gauntamo is not anti-freedom, yet many would say it is. So I see no compromise of freedom in the detention of enemy combatants without trial.

I also don't think it's anti-freedom if we subject non-citizens to invasive scrutiny when they travel into and within our country, or on our airliners.

I don't think it's anti-freedom when we have a list of terrorist cell phone numbers to monitor the traffic on those numbers, even when the call is connected to a U.S. citizen.

I mention these because these are some of the examples people use of giving up freedom for safety, and I don't think they apply.

That said, I think there are plenty of abuses of citizen freedom in the name of safety, and I oppose those, TSA searches being one of them.

Many of you like to bring up the founding fathers. Read about them. They suffered from many of these same dilemnas, and freedom suffered under some of the best of them. It's not an excuse, but if the vision of your world is a world that has never existed, you have to also question if it's a viable world, or if it just exists in your ideal vision.

I often defend ridiculous stances on here, but usually it's more of me testing the waters, and seeing what other people see wrong with it so that I can get a better perspective on the issue. I have romanticized the Founding Fathers in the past, but I think that comes from too much Glenn Beck. lol

 

[Bunnykid68]

Our government are the only terrorist I fear, from both Rep and Dem. They want your liberty and most are willing to give it up for so called security.

 

[Beau]

5 people are scared of the boogyman and need mammy to protect and comfort them.

 

[ATF Consumer]

5 people are scared of the boogyman and need mammy to protect and comfort them.

It is because of them we have the TSA and other thug authorities.

 

[88GT]

5 people are scared of the boogyman and need mammy to protect and comfort them.

Or more likely 2 or 3 of them fit that bill and the others are just being asshats to give those who take internet polls seriously something to whine about.

 

[rambone]

Or more likely 2 or 3 of them fit that bill and the others are just being asshats to give those who take internet polls seriously something to whine about.

I honestly thought there would be more people voting for "terror." That's just based on the discussions I've had with people. Its just an opinion poll, no big deal.

 

[Beau]

Or more likely 2 or 3 of them fit that bill and the others are just being asshats to give those who take internet polls seriously something to whine about.

This poll is totally serious. The outcome of this poll could very well have an impact on the next big decision big brother makes.