What exactly does gun control mean?

[kimbercollector]

In America, Im guessing there are more guns per 100 people than anywhere else in the world, and many have died for this beloved right.

If Ol Obama or Congress were to pass gun control legislation, how would it work? There are countless LEGALLY obtained weapons in the hands of millions which possibly are unknown to anyone. I love my ARs...love them...so whats this mean to me, how would it work, etc...?!

Would the government halt all gun sales? Ban specific weapons? How would they enforce this? Is gun control even possible due to the high amount of weapons? Amnesty period t
for me to turn mine in...can they track if I dont/wont?!

I did my two tours to Iraq in the USMC Infantry...Im doing my time now serving behind my Badge asca local LEO...my guns are a part of my life, livelyhood, and in my everyday world.

Your thoughts on what realistically could happen? Please try to stay on track/limited hijacking.

Dave

 

[jamil]

In America, Im guessing there are more guns per 100 people than anywhere else in the world, and many have died for this beloved right.

If Ol Obama or Congress were to pass gun control legislation, how would it work? There are countless LEGALLY obtained weapons in the hands of millions which possibly are unknown to anyone. I love my ARs...love them...so whats this mean to me, how would it work, etc...?!

Would the government halt all gun sales? Ban specific weapons? How would they enforce this? Is gun control even possible due to the high amount of weapons? Amnesty period t
for me to turn mine in...can they track if I dont/wont?!

I did my two tours to Iraq in the USMC Infantry...Im doing my time now serving behind my Badge asca local LEO...my guns are a part of my life, livelyhood, and in my everyday world.

Your thoughts on what realistically could happen? Please try to stay on track/limited hijacking.

Dave

I think they'd love to reinstate the so called "assault weapons" ban. Certainly they'll go after higher capacity mags. I've also heard a lot of talk about making it more difficult for mentally unstable people to have access to firearms.

 

[Miketodd]

Using both hands, proper trigger squeeze and knowing what is behind your target...

 

[ryan3030]

In America, Im guessing there are more guns per 100 people than anywhere else in the world, and many have died for this beloved right.

No need to guess: Number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[HavokCycle]

i had someone ask me the other day, -what constitutes an assault weapon-

i had no clear answer. my response was -the definition is by whomever has the power to define it-

 

[bdybdall]

I think they'd love to reinstate the so called "assault weapons" ban. Certainly they'll go after higher capacity mags. I've also heard a lot of talk about making it more difficult for mentally unstable people to have access to firearms.

If a person is known to be mentally unstable with a Dr's. diagnosis, then I don't feel that they should have access to firearms. I don't know how it works but a friend whose daughter committed a felony had to remove the firearms from his home in order for her to live there. Perhaps the same restrictions should be in place for those with certain psychoses.

 

[bdybdall]

i had someone ask me the other day, -what constitutes an assault weapon-

i had no clear answer. my response was -the definition is by whomever has the power to define it-

You do understand that the presence of a pistol grip, detachable magazine, black finish, bayonet lug, and/or flash hider makes a firearm twice as capable of doing evil on their own as without!

 

[scottka]

Ala the 94 AWB:
Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

• Folding or telescoping stock
• Pistol grip
• Bayonet mount
• Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
• Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).

 

[rugertoter]

In America, Im guessing there are more guns per 100 people than anywhere else in the world, and many have died for this beloved right.

If Ol Obama or Congress were to pass gun control legislation, how would it work? There are countless LEGALLY obtained weapons in the hands of millions which possibly are unknown to anyone. I love my ARs...love them...so whats this mean to me, how would it work, etc...?!

Would the government halt all gun sales? Ban specific weapons? How would they enforce this? Is gun control even possible due to the high amount of weapons? Amnesty period t
for me to turn mine in...can they track if I dont/wont?!

I did my two tours to Iraq in the USMC Infantry...Im doing my time now serving behind my Badge asca local LEO...my guns are a part of my life, livelyhood, and in my everyday world.

Your thoughts on what realistically could happen? Please try to stay on track/limited hijacking.

Dave

I believe they will, within the next few months after signing the UN small arms agreement, pass a new Assault Weapons ban and for real try to ban and confiscate the guns that are on their stupid list. I also believe they will limit the capacity of handguns to ten rounds or less again. I do not think they will ban handgun ownership because there are too many involved with CC practice - young, old, women, etc. I don't think they will do much of anything with "standard" bolt action or lever action rifles or what we would consider longer barreled shotguns. I feel they will enact this legislation within the next six months and it will get ugly. JMHO.

 

[Libertarian01]

To Kimbercollector (et alia),

Gun control has come to mean by those supporting the 2nd Amendment as "any onerous rule and/or regulation that unnecessarily impedes our right to keep and bear arms in a useless effort to reduce gun violence." Quoting in my words because it does mean different things to different people. I am painting with a rather large brush here.

To those who aren't so galvanized in support of the 2nda Amendment it means "reasonable rules and regulations that will hopefully reduce violent crime where a firearm is the primary tool of violence."

Basic gun control is certainly not unreasonable if it balances rights with reason. For example, no reasonable gun owner who supports the 2nd Amendment would say that a law forbidding the firing of a fully automatic .50 caliber machine gun in downtown Indianapolis with no safe backstop is unreasonable. For to do so would be de facto committing murder as loss of life would be inevitable. However, to ban the ownership and firing of a .50 caliber machine gun out where there is a good backstop and lower population would be ridiculous and unreasonable. With a good backstop and no people around have at it, and invite me too.

The concern to most gun owners I know is that any further rules or regulations do not serve the purpose for which they are intended and only limit rights with no logical basis in thinking.

I believe part of the problem comes from mindset. Most people (excluding us "rabid" 2Aer's) believe that there are places where no violence should occur and we should be safe there. While this is a nice concept and a laudable goal - it is an illusion.

The remaining 2Aer's know that, regrettably, there is NO place that is completely safe, not even our own homes. A violent person could intrude anywhere, anytime and seek to cause harm for their own reason. Whether sane or insane is irrelevant for this issue. We know that violence can occur in a church, a school, a synagog, a mosque, a nursing home, a grocery store, and on and on.

The problem stems from emotions. When we who know that no place is safe try to illuminate this truth to those who wish it so they resist this truth for it forces them to face a greater truth - the need to resist evil may occur at any time and in any place.

This need to resist places a great deal of responsibility on citizens who wish to shrug it off by falling back on the idea that they need only "call for help" and someone(?) will help them. The truth is that no one may be able to help them in time and their need to resist evil has not been removed. For some this is too distressing a concept to grasp.

Am I willing to live with rules that say I cannot shoot my 8mm Mauser in the city for no reason? Sure I can. Am I willing to live with a rule that says that someone who has been fairly diagnosed as mentally unstable cannot own a firearm? Sure, to a point, as long as they have legal redress to at some future time have all limitations removed providing their mental "defect" has been dealt with. Am I willing to live with a limitation on owning a semiautomatic firearm or high capacity magazine? Absolutely not as it serves no valid purpose.

So, what does gun control mean? Different things to different groups of people. Some who use logic and reasoning believe it is a law or set of laws that limits liberty unnecessarily. Some who rely on emotions believe it is a law or set of laws that will achieve a goal.

What part of your thinking is in charge? Logic or emotion...?

Just my .

Regards,

Doug

 

[sloughfoot]

With the recent Supreme Court decisions regarding the 2A, I believe that the focus will be on the "gun show loophole". (Their words)

In other words, private sales from an individual to another individual. They will want to stop this type of commerce.

The AG prematurely stated on Fox news last night that whoever sold the perp the guns he used in the crime would be held to account. He was very stern about this proclamation.

A ban and confiscation would be met with resistance and I think they might recognise that. But I think the general public would be OK with a closing of the gunshow loophole. They seem to be OK with the closing of tax loopholes...

This is just my guess. I don't know.

 

[Liberty1911]

I believe they will, within the next few months after signing the UN small arms agreement, pass a new Assault Weapons ban and for real try to ban and confiscate the guns that are on their stupid list. I also believe they will limit the capacity of handguns to ten rounds or less again. I do not think they will ban handgun ownership because there are too many involved with CC practice - young, old, women, etc. I don't think they will do much of anything with "standard" bolt action or lever action rifles or what we would consider longer barreled shotguns. I feel they will enact this legislation within the next six months and it will get ugly. JMHO.

Yeah, but the R's control the house. Seems like it would be hard to get anti 2A legislation through. Even some D's are supportive of 2A.

 

[jmemmert]

But kids being murdured might be just enough to get them to lean to the anti 2-A side.

 

[jedi]

With the recent Supreme Court decisions regarding the 2A, I believe that the focus will be on the "gun show loophole". (Their words)

In other words, private sales from an individual to another individual. They will want to stop this type of commerce.

The AG prematurely stated on Fox news last night that whoever sold the perp the guns he used in the crime would be held to account. He was very stern about this proclamation.

A ban and confiscation would be met with resistance and I think they might recognise that. But I think the general public would be OK with a closing of the gunshow loophole. They seem to be OK with the closing of tax loopholes...

This is just my guess. I don't know.

Did not the shooter that the guns from his mom after he killed her??

 

[Ted]

Yeah, but the R's control the house. Seems like it would be hard to get anti 2A legislation through. Even some D's are supportive of 2A.

How many Democratic party U.S. Senators are from states that would inflict a heavy political toll for supporting more gun control?

 

[GIJEW]

The anti-gun-lobby and it's allies in government will do whatever they think they can get away with, and that depends on how well they can lie to the uninformed.
I expect to see:
1) an attack on gun-shows--and not just "loop holes".
2) signing the UN small arms treaty as window dressing to "legitimize" their agenda (they won't be able to get it ratified).
3) An attempt to reinstate the useless AWB. They will either leave it there as a legal trap to get us one at a time ("if you see something, say something" etc) OR if they think they have public support, they might try confiscation in "friendly" areas as a test run. Say, confiscating NM ARs from rifle competitors in NJ...
4) As prep for confiscation (if nothing else, as a long term goal) they'll push for registration; especially handguns.
5) 'obeyme' will hover like a vulture, waiting to appoint more anti-freedom socialists to the supreme court in order to roll back/roll up the 2A.

 

[sloughfoot]

Did not the shooter that the guns from his mom after he killed her??

It has not been confirmed. But the possibility that it might be correct is behind my post.

I really think that they will try to close the "gunshow loophole".

 

[Liberty1911]

How many Democratic party U.S. Senators are from states that would inflict a heavy political toll for supporting more gun control?

Dunno, probably at least 5. That reinforces my point. I think it's going to be hard to get any new anti 2A legislation through congress.


Not that they won't though. Anything is possible if the public is sufficiently ginned up.

 

[loudpedal]

I do think that half of the tools in DC have dreams of repealing 2A.
I don't think that it will ever happen in the lifetimes of anyone reading this forum.

However, the low hanging fruit is ammunition.

The government credo has always been If it moves regulate it. If it doesn't move tax it. A lot of political stocks will go up if ammunition is taxed until we have learned our lesson.

High ammunition taxes can increase revenue while providing more government agencies to oversee the retailers who collect the tax. This will have the additional benefit of increasing sales of paperclips, and post-it notes.

This can provide great cover for some of these weasels. They can get what they want without having their names associated with gun bans. And hopefully when we can't afford ammo we will beat our guns into plowshares.

Can you really plow with polymer shards?

 

[hacksawfg]

I do think that half of the tools in DC have dreams of repealing 2A.
I don't think that it will ever happen in the lifetimes of anyone reading this forum.

However, the low hanging fruit is ammunition.

The government credo has always been If it moves regulate it. If it doesn't move tax it. A lot of political stocks will go up if ammunition is taxed until we have learned our lesson.

High ammunition taxes can increase revenue while providing more government agencies to oversee the retailers who collect the tax. This will have the additional benefit of increasing sales of paperclips, and post-it notes.

This can provide great cover for some of these weasels. They can get what they want without having their names associated with gun bans. And hopefully when we can't afford ammo we will beat our guns into plowshares.

Can you really plow with polymer shards?

I'm sure the Mexican cartels would be than happy to develop a new revenue stream and supply ammo to those who sell their wares. Will do nothing. It's not like they go to the range and practice, either (well, maybe Don's).