What kind of LTCH do I need?

[Adamska]

I was not sure where to put this but I was told that I would need a target/hunting permit to bring a handgun to a shooting range. My question is can a LTCH work? I'm new to laws on handguns so I was just asking.

If this is in the wrong place i'm sorry.

 

[Hoosier45]

If you have a LTCH you're good to go.

 

[Adamska]

Ok thank you

 

[RichardR]

There are actually two different LTCH's in Indiana, the first is what is called a "qualified" or hunting/target LTCH, which allows you to carry &/or transport handguns to & from hunting or range trips, the second is what's called "unlimited" or personal protection LTCH and allows you to carry anywhere for any reason.

Here is the statute that explains the differences between the two.

IC 35-47-2-4
Qualified or unlimited licenses to carry handguns; fees; exemptions from payment of fees
Sec. 4. (a) Licenses to carry handguns shall be either qualified or unlimited, and are valid for:
(1) four (4) years from the date of issue in the case of a four (4) year license; or
(2) the life of the individual receiving the license in the case of a lifetime license.
A qualified license shall be issued for hunting and target practice. The superintendent may adopt rules imposing limitations on the use and carrying of handguns under a license when handguns are carried by a licensee as a condition of employment. Unlimited licenses shall be issued for the purpose of the protection of life and property.
(b) In addition to the application fee, the fee for:
(1) a qualified license shall be:
(A) five dollars ($5) for a four (4) year qualified license;
(B) twenty-five dollars ($25) for a lifetime qualified license from a person who does not currently possess a valid Indiana handgun license; or
(C) twenty dollars ($20) for a lifetime qualified license from a person who currently possesses a valid Indiana handgun license; and
(2) an unlimited license shall be:
(A) thirty dollars ($30) for a four (4) year unlimited license;
(B) seventy-five dollars ($75) for a lifetime unlimited license from a person who does not currently possess a valid Indiana handgun license; or
(C) sixty dollars ($60) for a lifetime unlimited license from a person who currently possesses a valid Indiana handgun license.
The superintendent shall charge a twenty dollar ($20) fee for the issuance of a duplicate license to replace a lost or damaged license. These fees shall be deposited in accordance with subsection (e).
(c) Licensed dealers are exempt from the payment of fees specified in subsection (b) for a qualified license or an unlimited license.
(d) The following officers of this state or the United States who have been honorably retired by a lawfully created pension board or its equivalent after at least twenty (20) years of service or because of a disability are exempt from the payment of fees specified in subsection (b):
(1) Police officers.
(2) Sheriffs or their deputies.
(3) Law enforcement officers.
(4) Correctional officers.
(e) Fees collected under this section shall be deposited in the state general fund.
(f) The superintendent may not issue a lifetime qualified license or a lifetime unlimited license to a person who is a resident of another state. The superintendent may issue a four (4) year qualified license or a four (4) year unlimited license to a person who is a resident of another state and who has a regular place of business or employment in Indiana as described in section 3(a)(3) of this chapter.

 

[Hoosier45]

Yeah. What he said.

 

[Adamska]

Ok so if I have an unlimited license I can carry anywhere and use my handgun at a shooting range.

 

[rockhopper46038]

well, not ANYWHERE.

Example: IC 35-47-2-23
Violations; classes of misdemeanors and felonies
Sec. 23. (a) A person who violates section 3, 4, 5, 14, 15, or 16 of this chapter commits a Class B misdemeanor.
(b) A person who violates section 7, 17, or 18 of this chapter commits a Class C felony.
(c) A person who violates section 1 of this chapter commits a Class A misdemeanor. However, the offense is a Class C felony:
(1) if the offense is committed:
(A) on or in school property;
(B) within one thousand (1,000) feet of school property; or
(C) on a school bus; or
(2) if the person:
(A) has a prior conviction of any offense under:
(i) this subsection; or
(ii) subsection (d); or
(B) has been convicted of a felony within fifteen (15) years before the date of the offense.
(d) A person who violates section 22 of this chapter commits a Class A misdemeanor. However, the offense is a Class D felony if the person has a prior conviction of any offense under this subsection or subsection (c), or if the person has been convicted of a felony within fifteen (15) years before the date of the offense.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32. Amended by P.L.16-1984, SEC.20; P.L.140-1994, SEC.9; P.L.17-1997, SEC.7.

 

[Denny L]

Sounds crazy bit a permit for CCW is not that difficult to obtain

 

[eldirector]

Ok so if I have an unlimited license I can carry anywhere and use my handgun at a shooting range.

Pretty much. Sounds like you already have an "unlimited" LTCH? If so, carry to a range is perfectly fine. OC or CC about about anywhere is perfectly fine, with some exceptions.

Rockhopper posted some of the exclusions, and reading through this forum should give you more info.

 

[Rookie]

Sounds crazy bit a permit for CCW is not that difficult to obtain

Technically, a ccw permit is impossible to obtain in Indiana...

 

[Vic_Mackey]

Yup^. Too bad ex-military isn't on the exempt list. Save vets some money.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Technically, a ccw permit is impossible to obtain in Indiana...

Technically, a ccw permit is impossible to obtain from the State of Indiana. It is possible to get one in Indiana though. Non res FL, UT,.....

 

[hick185]

I don't want to jack this thread but when RichardR posted the IC it states.
"Unlimited licenses shall be issued for the purpose of the protection of life and property."
If a holder of a LTCH is only allowed to use the weapon to preserve life why does is state property also? I just thought it was odd when I read it.

 

[troy2198]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression that you do not need a license if you are transporting a firearm as long as it is to the range and then back to your home. This is as long as the weapon is stored seperately from the ammo in seperate locations such as the trunk and glove box. This is the first Ive head of the target/hunting license.

 

[hick185]

From what I've read in the FAQs and various posts you can transport a rifle or shotgun in your vehicle with out a LTCH. But the only way you can transport a handgun is if you have a LTCH. The only times you are allowed to transport a handgun are when you are bringing it home right after you buy it or to take it to get repaired. There are two types of LTCH. One to be able to take it hunting or to a range. The second is for personal protection. I'm fairly new to all this. But I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will correct me.

 

[RichardR]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression that you do not need a license if you are transporting a firearm as long as it is to the range and then back to your home. This is as long as the weapon is stored seperately from the ammo in seperate locations such as the trunk and glove box. This is the first Ive head of the target/hunting license.

You may transport a handgun in the above manner without an LTCH to/from your home to/from a fixed place of business or to/from a place of repair.

You may also transport a handgun in the above manner without a LTCH if you are moving to/from one place of residence to another place of residence.

However to transport a handgun to/from the range &/or hunting you have to have at least the "qualified" LTCH to be legal.

 

[RichardR]

I don't want to jack this thread but when RichardR posted the IC it states.
"Unlimited licenses shall be issued for the purpose of the protection of life and property."
If a holder of a LTCH is only allowed to use the weapon to preserve life why does is state property also? I just thought it was odd when I read it.

Good question Hick, I'll try to clarify it for everyone ... there is a difference between the "use of deadly force" & "pointing a firearm" - they are not one & the same and there are some differences in how one or the other can be used, most folks already have read the deadly force statutes so I'll stick with the act of "pointing a firearm"..

Ok the first thing that everyone should know is that much like the use of deadly force the act of "pointing a firearm" is normally a criminal offense, however it is considered "reasonable force" when the act of "pointing a firearm" is used to protect persons or property or to affect an arrest, I will post the statutes so everyone can read them for themselves.

IC 35-47-4-3
Pointing firearm at another person
Sec. 3. (a) This section does not apply to a law enforcement officer who is acting within the scope of the law enforcement officer's official duties or to a person who is justified in using reasonable force against another person under:
(1) IC 35-41-3-2; or
(2) IC 35-41-3-3.
(b) A person who knowingly or intentionally points a firearm at another person commits a Class D felony. However, the offense is a Class A misdemeanor if the firearm was not loaded.


IC 35-41-3-2
Use of force to protect person or property
Sec. 2. (a) A person is justified in using reasonable force against another person to protect the person or a third person from what the person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person:
(1) is justified in using deadly force; and
(2) does not have a duty to retreat;
if the person reasonably believes that that force is necessary to prevent serious bodily injury to the person or a third person or the commission of a forcible felony. No person in this state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting the person or a third person by reasonable means necessary.
(b) A person:
(1) is justified in using reasonable force, including deadly force, against another person; and
(2) does not have a duty to retreat;
if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to prevent or terminate the other person's unlawful entry of or attack on the person's dwelling, curtilage, or occupied motor vehicle.
(c) With respect to property other than a dwelling, curtilage, or an occupied motor vehicle, a person is justified in using reasonable force against another person if the person reasonably believes that the force is necessary to immediately prevent or terminate the other person's trespass on or criminal interference with property lawfully in the person's possession, lawfully in possession of a member of the person's immediate family, or belonging to a person whose property the person has authority to protect. However, a person:
(1) is justified in using deadly force; and
(2) does not have a duty to retreat;
only if that force is justified under subsection (a).

IC 35-41-3-3
Use of force relating to arrest or escape
Sec. 3. (a) A person other than a law enforcement officer is justified in using reasonable force against another person to effect an arrest or prevent the other person's escape if:
(1) a felony has been committed; and
(2) there is probable cause to believe the other person committed that felony.
However, such a person is not justified in using deadly force unless that force is justified under section 2 of this chapter.

I hope that cleared up any confusion.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Sounds crazy bit a permit for CCW is not that difficult to obtain

Technically, a ccw permit is impossible to obtain in Indiana...

Technically, a ccw permit is impossible to obtain from the State of Indiana. It is possible to get one in Indiana though. Non res FL, UT,.....

Ah, but guys, he didn't say a CCW Permit, he said a permit for CCW. Coincidentally, that same permit also decriminalizes OC. We just happen to call it a LTCH here, but as we all know, that permits us to lawfully carry a handgun however we choose to do so.

Adamska, this is a discussion of the technicalities involved. Our License To Carry a Handgun will cover your transport of a handgun outside of the few narrow exceptions in the text of the law, subject to a few different restrictions.
Per state statute, you cannot carry a firearm at a (K-12) school, on school property or on a school bus, into a building or on property with a daycare or preschool, a Head Start, private school, into a shipping port, onto a riverboat casino, onto the State Fairgrounds during State Fair, into secure areas of airports, or onto commercial airplanes. In addition, state law permits local governments to restrict lawful possession of a firearm on any property they own or manage with the exception of highways.

Finally, Federal law prohibits carry into federal buildings, such as federal court buildings, military bases, etc. There is a regular, long-standing debate in which no one wants to be the test case for carrying at a postal facility, i.e. the post office.

Hope that helps!

Blessings,
Bill

 

[INGunGuy]

You may transport a handgun in the above manner without an LTCH to/from your home to/from a fixed place of business or to/from a place of repair.

You may also transport a handgun in the above manner without a LTCH if you are moving to/from one place of residence to another place of residence.

However to transport a handgun to/from the range &/or hunting you have to have at least the "qualified" LTCH to be legal.

I am sorry, but you are incorrect, you can NOT transport a handgun when traveling between home and work, or work and home. The ONLY time you can carry a handgun WITHOUT a LTCH would be if you are MOVING from one residence to another or from a fixed place of business to another, that would be unloaded and in a secure wrapper in the trunk, bed of truck, etc. You can carry the handgun, again, unloaded and in a secure wrapper from home to the gunsmith, and again back home. I assume that the dated repair bill would be required. You can NOT transport a handgun for any other reason than:

1. From purchase location to home of fixed place of business.
2. From home or fixed place of business to gunsmith and back.
3. When moving from one residence or fixed place of business to another.

That is it, no where else, no range, no dad's house, no nothing, just get the LTCH, and never have to worry about it again.

IC 35-47-2-1
Carrying a handgun without a license or by person convicted of domestic battery
Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsection (b) and section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any vehicle or on or about the person's body, except in the person's dwelling, on the person's property or fixed place of business, without a license issued under this chapter being in the person's possession.

IC 35-47-2-2
Excepted persons
Sec. 2. Section 1 of this chapter does not apply to:

(11) any person while carrying a handgun unloaded and in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his dwelling or fixed place of business, or to a place of repair or back to his dwelling or fixed place of business, or in moving from one dwelling or business to another.

IC added for reference.

INGunGuy

 

[RichardR]

I am sorry, but you are incorrect

No I am not.

You're getting hung up on what is referred too as a "legislative drafting error" .. simply because they included some of the possible to/from combination's but neglectfully (not intentionally) left out other possible to/from combination's of the same, however even as poorly written as the statute is .. the "legislative intent" is still very clear that the lawful owner of a handgun may legally transport their handgun (in the manner described, without a LTCH) to/from their residence to/from their fixed place of business & to/from a place of repair.