What was wrong with the ISP G21's?

[TheDude]

I heard at a LGS ISP are switching to Ruger LCPs

Well....that makes sense as that's the only cartridge they haven't carried.

 

[scottm]

Hopefully the switch to Sig's will cut down on the number of ND's happening during the overly complicated Glock disassembly process...?

 

[sig1473]

Well....that makes sense as that's the only cartridge they haven't carried.

They were issued a Beretta 84 back in the late 90's early 2000's.

 

[TheDude]

They were issued a Beretta 84 back in the late 90's early 2000's.

I stand corrected, your right. Guess its down to the 22lr

 

[Gluemanz28]

Ah, remember the good old days?... when police trade-ins were LESS expensive than new pistols.

Yea the good ole days. You do get three mags and a slightly scuffed up pair of Jack boots with every gun though.

 

[Goodcat]

Maybe they'll start carrying dual klobbs

 

[aaron580]

Was wondering what was wrong with the ISP G21's that made them go to the sig 227?

A quality post

 

[ryknoll3]

Hopefully the switch to Sig's will cut down on the number of ND's happening during the overly complicated Glock disassembly process...?

Yeah, that Glock is confusing as heck!

 

[88E30M50]

Nice use of state funds.

As far as I know, it does not cost the state anything. They traded the Sigs for Glocks even. As mentioned above, I think Sig included leather too.

 

[iunderpressure]

I don't know if they are switching everyone to the sigs, but I know the new recruit class was issued the sigs.

 

[snorko]

Ah, remember the good old days?... when police trade-ins were LESS expensive than new pistols.

New gen 4 G21s with night sights are less than $499?

 

[jd4320t]

Hopefully the switch to Sig's will cut down on the number of ND's happening during the overly complicated Glock disassembly process...?

was this meant to be purple?

 

[marv]

From what I was told by one of the senior state police folks, the mags did not always drop free. I don't recall him saying much about reliability issues different from that, but there may be more. The mags not dropping free was a big issue though.

Glock mags were never intended to drop free.

 

[arthrimus]

Glock mags were never intended to drop free.

I'm curious why that is. What advantage is there to a mag that requires two hands to remove?

 

[DNS]

The newer mags that would have come with the gen. 3 guns should be drop free. The 1st gen. mags. were not but haven't been made in years. From what I understand is the europeans don't think a quick reload is needed as much as we do. The cz75 actually has a brake installed in the mag. well to prevent it from dropping out on the ground.

 

[Thegeek]

Empty mags weren't dropping free. Glock offered a stainless baseplate for the mag to make it heavier and suggested buffing the molding ridge off. ISP didn't like adding weight. There were also reports of strikers failing. Sounded like a bad lot of material.

Personal opinion: When they chose to go with the Sig, it wasn't even released yet, and they went to the .45 not to long ago. Somebody got paid.....

 

[marv]

I'm curious why that is. What advantage is there to a mag that requires two hands to remove?

I will not quote the articles but you can read them in "Glock The new wave in combat handguns. Pages 216 and 246. I have seen other references but don't recall where. Other law enforcement agencies also had issues with the magazines.

 

[rolodetective]

Glock offered a stainless baseplate for the mag to make it heavier and suggested buffing the molding ridge off. ISP didn't like adding weight. There were also reports of strikers failing.

Not true

Somebody got paid.....

Are you suggesting a conspiracy?

 

[Thegeek]

Corruption, not conspiracy. Do you have any other logical explanation for choosing an unproven model as a police issue weapon?

 

[SubUrbanCamo317]

Corruption, not conspiracy. Do you have any other logical explanation for choosing an unproven model as a police issue weapon?

I somewhat wonder how weapons get their reliability rating from? Oh, maybe the time proven designs that sig has used for 25+ years? Nah......Teething issues will arise with all weapons, but its how many teething issues that will occur is what sets the quality apart from reliability.