When selling FTF can I sell to a Hoosier out of state? and more....

[melensdad]

As I understand the Indiana laws, I, as a firearms seller, must take a reasonable amount of care to know that I am only selling a gun to a 'qualified' person. My criteria for knowing if a person is legally qualified to buy a handgun from me is to show me his INDIANA driver's license, that shows he is a resident. My criteria for knowing that he is not a felon is to show me a LTCH because it is my understanding that to attain a LTCH you cannot be a felon.

Question 1: Is a FTF transfer legal between two Indiana residents outside of Indiana? That meaning can I, as a Hoosier, meet a fellow Hoosier, across the state line and make the actual sale in one of our border states?


Question 2: When you make a sale, do you ask for a full name? I don't mean do you write it down and record it, but do you at least expect to know the name of the guy you are selling a gun to?


Question 3: He has yet to give me a straight answer to my "Are you a felon?" question. He balks continually at my offer to do an all expense paid transfer to his local FFL (saving him a drive and other expenses).​

So does anyone smell a rat? Possibly an ATF set up? Possibly a felon trying to circumvent the law?

 

[jayhawk]

1) I don't know, but I'd assume you'd technically be required to follow the other state's laws.
2) Yes, that requirement is met by the DL or ID
3) That seems awfully fishy to me. If your spidey senses are kicking in, it's probably good to listen to them.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Smells of something, especially #3

 

[Shoots4Fun]

Agree with the others. Go the proper route where you can be covered legally. I'd prefer to deal with an FFL in a questionable situation and exactly what I've done in the past.

 

[quicksdraw]

If he is a fellow Hoosier, why does he want to do the transfer in another state? And if he is legal, why won't he give you a straight answer to the felon question? If I were you I would run, not walk, away from this guy.

 

[mbaza3]

1. I would not play with fire and risk the legal ramifications that may or may not be associated with doing so especially if you are referring to Illinois.

2. I ask to see a DL.

3. Run away from the deal.

 

[JohnP82]

If I were to do a FTF sale with an individual I would want his name for my personal records so I have a paper trail. I would also need to see an IN driver's license to verify they are an IN resident. If they were to have a problem with this...no sale.

I generally do not see a need to see a LTCH as it is not needed for a purchase and it doesn't really verify they are a proper person. Don't get me wrong it can help, but IIRC when asked to return it after being revoked if you do not it is a misdemeanor charge so if someone was convicted of a felony and their LTCH was revoked I doubt they would care about a misdemeanor charge for not sending it back in. Just my Again though don't get me wrong looking at it can help and if a seller wanted to see mine for peace of mind I would have no problem showing it.

As far as the buyer balking about the FFL transfer...this would make me hesitant especially if it were all paid by me. Some people are just paranoid and want to purchase guns FTF as to not be on any kind of record, but if your instincts are telling you something does not seem right then I would go with your gut.

Good luck with your decision.

 

[ghitch75]

they would have to come back here and buy it or i would ship it to his FFL.....PERIOD!!!!!

 

[jedi]

The mere fact that you are posting this tells me that your "spider senses" are turned on at least a little bit. Either have him go thru an FFL or walk away no matter how good the deal is. Just walk away from the "white mouse". =)

 

[Westside]

IF your "spidy sense" is tingling walk away from the deal.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYfM-frIWlQ

 

[Prometheus]

Question 1: Is a FTF transfer legal between two Indiana residents outside of Indiana? That meaning can I, as a Hoosier, meet a fellow Hoosier, across the state line and make the actual sale in one of our border states?
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I don't think you would be breaking any IN laws, but you would most likely be breaking the law of the state in which the sale took place and where you would be subject to that states jurisdiction. The subsequent transport of that firearm across state lines may then subject it to federal scrutiny.

Question 2: When you make a sale, do you ask for a full name? I don't mean do you write it down and record it, but do you at least expect to know the name of the guy you are selling a gun to?

No. I ask for nothing. To qualify that, I once asked to see a guys ID because he drove up in a car with ILL plates. I would do so again as well. In that case he didn't have a problem showing his IN DL.

Under IN state law, I don't have to ask any questions before selling, however when he showed up with blatant out of state tags, I believe that feel under the State statutes that cover "knowingly".

Question 3: He has yet to give me a straight answer to my "Are you a felon?" question. He balks continually at my offer to do an all expense paid transfer to his local FFL (saving him a drive and other expenses).

So does anyone smell a rat? Possibly an ATF set up? Possibly a felon trying to circumvent the law?

I've never asked anyone if they were a felon before selling a gun. If I did have to ask, I probably wouldn't be selling it or I'd be asking for a LTCH in addition to a DL, which I would normally never ask for.

Given the way you have laid things out, I'd find another buyer. It's not worth the hassle now, let alone the hassles later if you sell to a prohibited person.

Also, if doing such a sale/xfer, make them meet you on this side of the border.

 

[chadc11]

Like a few have said before, him not wanting to go the expenses paid FFL route seems fishy. That is a very reasonable offer by you to make sure everything is legal. I personally would look for another buyer.

 

[Drakkule]

I would just say i decided not to do the deal officer/agent. If there is ever a question, don't do it.

 

[04DarkShadowGT]

No chance I would do that. I wouldn't sell a gun to a guy I did not know without seeing his drivers license. I had some guy last week get me to meet him across town and then he wouldn't even show me his license, not even bring it out of his wallet to make sure it said Indiana. No dice with me, too shady.

 

[shooter521]

1) BUH

2) Bye

 

[Jolfe]

For me to sell you a gun I'd got to have two things:

a) A valid IN Driver's Licence, from which I'd copy (and keep for my records) your name and DL number; and

b) a valid LTCH card (which number I'd also keep for my records). As someone said above, having a LTCH card won't guarantee that you're not currently a felon, but for me it's still a lot better than just your word for it.
I know this isn't required by law, but by my common sense it is.

Without these two, sorry, no deal. If you're not willing to provide information as basic as this when you're buying a gun, in my book there's something wrong with you and I'd rather sell it to somebody else.