Where to buy 80% lower? Does brand matter?

[seabassnfg]

I am having trouble locating 80% lowers online.
Does anybody have any idea where I can buy one?
Does manufacturer matter? If so, which one should I stay away from?

Thanks.

 

[DanVoils]

I've dealt with 80% Lowers with no problems. Very high quality and quick shipping. https://www.80-lower.com/collections/ar15-80-lower They are located in the old Fort Benjamin Harrison Complex on the east side of Indy.

 

[thunderchicken]

Not trying to hijack the thread, but it ties in.
Do I understand correctly that an 80% in addition to needing some machining done, they don't have a serial number? If that is correct, how does an FFL transfer it or does it require an FFL?
And, can or how would you legally sell it (should one choose to do so)?

 

[seabassnfg]

From what I've gathered, it does not require an FFL because it is not technically a firearm.

 

[seabassnfg]

Thanks for the reply Danvoils, I will check them out.

I've dealt with 80% Lowers with no problems. Very high quality and quick shipping. https://www.80-lower.com/collections/ar15-80-lower They are located in the old Fort Benjamin Harrison Complex on the east side of Indy.

 

[DRob]

Not trying to hijack the thread, but it ties in.
Do I understand correctly that an 80% in addition to needing some machining done, they don't have a serial number? If that is correct, how does an FFL transfer it or does it require an FFL?
And, can or how would you legally sell it (should one choose to do so)?

As I understand it, an 80% lower does require some machining WHICH MUST BE DONE BY THE PURCHASER. They don't have a serial number and do not require an FFL to be involved. If I went to the trouble of doing one, I certainly would not be selling it. And, if you are thinking of buying one/some just to sell them, get a hold of your bondsman and your attorney in advance.

 

[thunderchicken]

As I understand it, an 80% lower does require some machining WHICH MUST BE DONE BY THE PURCHASER. They don't have a serial number and do not require an FFL to be involved. If I went to the trouble of doing one, I certainly would not be selling it. And, if you are thinking of buying one/some just to sell them, get a hold of your bondsman and your attorney in advance.

I wouldn't have too much trouble doing the machining. I very rarely ever sell anything. And No, I wouldn't have any interest in buying any just to re-sell.
But what if you wanted to leave one to a loved one when you pass?
Or how would you report it if it were ever stolen? And would it need any documentation after it is fully machined?

 

[Gabriel]

Not trying to hijack the thread, but it ties in.
Do I understand correctly that an 80% in addition to needing some machining done, they don't have a serial number? If that is correct, how does an FFL transfer it or does it require an FFL?
And, can or how would you legally sell it (should one choose to do so)?

At 80% it is not considered a firearm, therefore sales are not regulated (yet). Once it is machined to 100% by the owner it cannot be sold (and does not need a serial number).

 

[thunderchicken]

At 80% it is not considered a firearm, therefore sales are not regulated (yet). Once it is machined to 100% by the owner it cannot be sold (and does not need a serial number).

Wow. Can't believe the anti's haven't run with this as a "loop hole".

 

[Floivanus]

Wow. Can't believe the anti's haven't run with this as a "loop hole".

Google ghost gun, hop on youtube and search for ghost gun. There’s tons of hoopla over it already.

but nobody told them I have made AK receivers from flat pieces of metal

 

[ol' poke]

After I machined my 80%s to 100%s, I went ahead and had them engraved with my own personal serial number. Not required, just my preference.

 

[CPT Nervous]

Wow. Can't believe the anti's haven't run with this as a "loop hole".

You can manufacture firearms without a license, but you can never sell them. The 80% lowers (You can get 80% pistol lowers, too. My buddy built a 1911 for $300) are just an easy way for the hobby smith to build guns. You buy a raw forging with some machining, which is not considered a firearm by law. You have to finish it, then it becomes a firearm. You could carve an AR lower out of a block of wood if you really wanted to.

As far as inheritance or passing them down, I wouldn't see any issues with that. The law only applies to non dealers selling firearms that they've manufactured. I would assume that gifting is still okay.

 

[BigMoose]

You can manufacture firearms without a license, but you can never sell them. The 80% lowers (You can get 80% pistol lowers, too. My buddy built a 1911 for $300) are just an easy way for the hobby smith to build guns. You buy a raw forging with some machining, which is not considered a firearm by law. You have to finish it, then it becomes a firearm. You could carve an AR lower out of a block of wood if you really wanted to.

As far as inheritance or passing them down, I wouldn't see any issues with that. The law only applies to non dealers selling firearms that they've manufactured. I would assume that gifting is still okay.

You CAN sell self made firearms. But it is another one of those "intent" things.

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.c...ll-or-give-my-homemade-gun-another-person.htm

ATF wants you to put a serial on them before you sell them though.

 

[CPT Nervous]

You CAN sell self made firearms. But it is another one of those "intent" things.

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.c...ll-or-give-my-homemade-gun-another-person.htm

ATF wants you to put a serial on them before you sell them though.

Good point. Okay, you can't manufacture them for the purpose of selling or making a profit. Similarly, someone cannot pay you to make one for them. But if you made a few, and later on decided you didn't want some of them, you could sell them.

 

[long coat]

Why build, when you can print...

 

[thunderchicken]

Interesting info learned something new. I thought it required a special license to manufacture a firearm.

 

[TheWabbit]

I thought it required a special license to manufacture a firearm.

Nope. I have a cabinet full of AK receivers I bent from flats. I just need parts kits and barrels to finish the rifle.

 

[STFU]

You can even get 80% 10/22 receivers:
Ruger 10/22 Parts & Accessories + RAZOR 80% Receivers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHKqR19CgUE

 

[BigRed]

The only thing more frightening than a black gun is a ghost gun.

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]