Which Factory SBR AR

[cgbills]

I have been bitten by the SBR AR bug and think I am going to pull the trigger. I was thinking of getting a factory built SBR because for one I hear it is easier to get the stamp and everything (if someone could speak to this it would be great). I have been eyeballing the Daniel Defense MK18 factory SBR. Does anyone have any other recommendations for a Factory SBR? I like the DD MK18 but I am not sure if I want the rail system because of the extra weight and I am a minimalist anyway and do not hang stuff off my rifles. Also I do not want a piston AR. Any input would be great.

 

[revsaxon]

Good luck getting one anytime this century, but I hear good things about spikes SBR package. Plus it comes with a supressor, so your good no matter what

 

[OneBadV8]

Do you have a price range?

I'm a big fan of the LMT and Noveske SBRs. Particularly this 10.5" Noveske

http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bi...lsv-556&cat=136&page=1&search=&since=&status=

 

[Mayday671]

I have been bitten by the SBR AR bug and think I am going to pull the trigger. I was thinking of getting a factory built SBR because for one I hear it is easier to get the stamp and everything (if someone could speak to this it would be great). I have been eyeballing the Daniel Defense MK18 factory SBR. Does anyone have any other recommendations for a Factory SBR? I like the DD MK18 but I am not sure if I want the rail system because of the extra weight and I am a minimalist anyway and do not hang stuff off my rifles. Also I do not want a piston AR. Any input would be great.

Below is the MK18 clone I built and no the stamp isnt any easier or harder to get it is the same process. I have a CMMG 10.3" barrel for sale to get you started. Im swapping it with a 10.3" 300 Blackout barrel.

 

[cgbills]

Max price would be about $1800. If I could stay around $1500 that would be best. If I decide to build one should I but the lower first so I can start the paper work? Also I worry about building an sbr ar caue they can be finicky and I want mine to be reliable. That is another reaon I want a factory sbr

 

[Cwood]

If you dont want finicky go with an 11.5" barrel over the 10.5". The extra inch of barrel makes a huge difference in reliability when shooting unsuppressed.

 

[revsaxon]

If you dont want finicky go with an 11.5" barrel over the 10.5". The extra inch of barrel makes a huge difference in reliability when shooting unsuppressed.

^^^^ this. Its amazing the difference that inch makes. If you choose to go shorter don't go under 10.5 if you ever plan to run a supressor on it at any point.

 

[ISHOOTHST'S]

POF-USA Patriot Ordnance Factory, Inc.

 

[loony1]

Here you go sir and it is a little under your original price range -stamp. Mine started similiar to this and ended up like this:

http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bi...=lsb-556&cat=136&page=1&search=&since=&status=

 

[cgbills]

does anyone make a factory SBR in 11.5in?

 

[TREETOP]

The only real advantage to choosing a factory SBR rather than assembling your own is that it doesn't require extra engraving since the original manufacturer is also the NFA manufacturer. It'll just transfer on a Form 4 instead of a Form 1, which is basically the same.
You can save a bit of money by just assembling your own on a Form 1.

 

[revsaxon]

Usually my form 4's take a 3rd of the time of my form 1's, so its proabably a lot faster too....

 

[tradertator]

Good luck getting one anytime this century, but I hear good things about spikes SBR package. Plus it comes with a supressor, so your good no matter what

Wow, that is bad ass!

 

[Specialized]

Stag Arms sells SBR's too, as well as SBR uppers. That's the route I'm going to take. Gotta get my paperwork done first.

Specialized

 

[cgbills]

Just looked at Stags website. They have a non-rail SBR upper for $550 and it is 11.5 inch which is favorable. Their complete lowers are $300. So I can get a SBR WITH stamp for $1050. That is $600 less than the Noveske basic SBR with stamp (granted you get a Vltor iMod Carbine stock and KX3 Flash Suppressor with the Noveske but that is not worth $600). How does stag compare to Noveske, DD and LMT?

 

[DownByTheTracks]

Usually my form 4's take a 3rd of the time of my form 1's, so its proabably a lot faster too....

Does that include the time it takes to transfer from manufacturer to dealer, or just from dealer to you?

 

[cgbills]

Also what about CMMG ARs?

 

[esrice]

IMO, if I was looking for a "tricked out" factory SBR, I'd go Noveske or DD.

If I was looking for something more plain-jane I'd look at Spike's Tactical, or BCM (even though I don't believe they offer "factory" SBR options). LMT might have a factory option.

Last on the list would be Stag/CMMG/Bushmaster/RRA.

 

[Specialized]

Wow. Don't know what the selection criteria is for manufacturers, but I buy rifles based on materials quality, reliability, and value for the money. That may be why my rifles (which all shoot very accurately and go boom every time) came from either Stag, DPMS, or Bushmaster. I'd love to have an RRA as well, just don't have one at this point.

Maybe someone can educate me on the relative benefits of some of the other brands mentioned? Is it all about "pimp factor"? Better quality or different materials, styling, or something like that? Maybe I'm missing out on something, but I can't see paying an additional $500-$1000 for something that's going to throw pills with the same speed and accuracy as what I'm shooting today.

Specialized

 

[revsaxon]

Does that include the time it takes to transfer from manufacturer to dealer, or just from dealer to you?

Thats just to me, when I need to get it from manufacturer to dealer it usually runs about 2/3 as long for a Form 4 (manufacture -> dealer -> me) as for a Form 1 (me -> me)