Which one are you?

[Twangbanger]

I've never seen half the people he describes. Why no mention of "Ported 500 Magnum Snubby Guy" or "Laser Guy" (and his sidekick, "Laser Girl")?

The Hipster does bear a striking resemblance to "Suppressed SBR Evangelist Guy," though...

 

[Bfish]

I've never seen half the people he describes. Why no mention of "Ported 500 Magnum Snubby Guy" or "Laser Guy" (and his sidekick, "Laser Girl")?

The Hipster does bear a striking resemblance to "Suppressed SBR Evangelist Guy," though...

Who is that guy?

I do know the laser people you speak of though!

 

[DoggyDaddy]

What do you have against people that shoot reloads

What he said.

Because they're dangerous 'n stuff!

 

[snowwalker]

What do you have against people that shoot reloads

I find it strange that you have to ask such a question. Look up Front Sight and their position on reloads for your answer.

 

[medcoxo]

I am not the 'public ' range guy, I go and try to get a spot off by myself and keep an eye out for the 'Safety Violator' guy.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I find it strange that you have to ask such a question. Look up Front Sight and their position on reloads for your answer.

Front Sight is a training operation, so they will potentially have large groups of shooters with varying degrees of experience. I think they're just making their recommendation from an insurance liability standpoint. I personally don't have an issue with the guy next to me at a range using his own reloads, and I'm not worried about shooting my own reloads. Would I buy reloads from someone I don't know? No, probably not. They also don't allow a large variety of commonly used "factory ammo" too (no steel jacketed, no steel core, no non-jacketed lead bullets (?!?), etc..) I don't understand banning lead bullets. Many places that do cowboy action shooting ONLY allow non-jacketed lead bullets, so that can't be for a safety concern (other than lead contamination maybe?). I certainly wouldn't have an issue shooting next to someone using any of that type of ammo.

I'd wager that most competitive shooters shoot their own reloads almost exclusively just to keep costs to a minimum due to the sheer volume of ammo they go through.

 

[rugertoter]

I don't think I'm any of those clowns.

 

[snowwalker]

Front Sight is a training operation, so they will potentially have large groups of shooters with varying degrees of experience. I think they're just making their recommendation from an insurance liability standpoint. I personally don't have an issue with the guy next to me at a range using his own reloads, and I'm not worried about shooting my own reloads. Would I buy reloads from someone I don't know? No, probably not. They also don't allow a large variety of commonly used "factory ammo" too (no steel jacketed, no steel core, no non-jacketed lead bullets (?!?), etc..) I don't understand banning lead bullets. Many places that do cowboy action shooting ONLY allow non-jacketed lead bullets, so that can't be for a safety concern (other than lead contamination maybe?). I certainly wouldn't have an issue shooting next to someone using any of that type of ammo.

I'd wager that most competitive shooters shoot their own reloads almost exclusively just to keep costs to a minimum due to the sheer volume of ammo they go through.

If you owned a &2000-$3000 pistol would you shoot some strangers reloads through it? Now why put yourself at risk standing next to the same person at a range?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

If you owned a &2000-$3000 pistol would you shoot some strangers reloads through it? Now why put yourself at risk standing next to the same person at a range?

I said I wouldn't buy (presumably to shoot) reloads from a stranger. As for standing next to someone at a range using reloads, I guess that's a risk I'm willing to take. All kinds of malfunctions can happen even with factory ammo (squib loads, "hot" loads from the factory, etc.). I'm not going to stop shooting at ranges because of that. I shoot at an outdoor range almost exclusively, so I suppose it's possible I could be struck by lightning as well. You don't want to take that risk (shooting next to someone using reloads) and that's fine. For me, it's an acceptable risk.

Look, there's a whole industry built around people reloading their own ammo. We don't hear stories of massive numbers of people blowing themselves or others up from doing it. That almost sounds like the "blood in the streets" kind of panicked thinking that the antis use whenever constitutional carry comes up. I'm guessing there are more people injured from shooting tannerite or steel targets while standing too close (using factory ammo even) than there are those injured from shooting reloads. I'm more concerned with unsafe gun handling practices than whether someone shoots reloads or not.

 

[Bigtanker]

If you owned a &2000-$3000 pistol would you shoot some strangers reloads through it? Now why put yourself at risk standing next to the same person at a range?

Are you refering to the reloads the range loads up and offers for sale?

 

[spencer rifle]

All kinds of malfunctions can happen even with factory ammo (squib loads, "hot" loads from the factory, etc.). I'm not going to stop shooting at ranges because of that.

Only squib load I ever had was factory ammo.

 

[rhino]

So what should people do who have calibers for which factory new ammunition is not available? <-- rhetorical question

 

[two70]

So what should people do who have calibers for which factory new ammunition is not available? <-- rhetorical question

Shoot their soul stealing reloads far, far away from snowwalker?

 

[snowwalker]

Shoot their soul stealing reloads far, far away from snowwalker?

yes

 

[rhino]

Shoot their soul stealing reloads far, far away from snowwalker?

Hmm... how do you know who the people are who are next to you?

Should they self-identify, perhaps with calling cards, that they forbid you to shoot reloads in their vicinty?

 

[snowwalker]

Hmm... how do you know who the people are who are next to you?

Should they self-identify, perhaps with calling cards, that they forbid you to shoot reloads in their vicinty?

If you had read my first post you would see that I've never been to a gun range, I do my shooting on the farm and outside ammo costs it's free. The reload issue as explained by Dr. Ignatius Piazza.

[h=2]Guns Should Not Blow Up![/h]Dear Subscriber,
Prior to becoming the second man in the world to successfully complete the Four Weapons Combat Master test in 1993 and subsequently opening Front Sight Firearms Training Institute in 1996, I traveled all over the country, taking firearms training courses from all the big name instructors and schools. It was in those courses, as a student, that I saw what needed to be improved in the firearms training industry and then set out to create the finest gun training school in the world.
When I opened Front Sight in April of 1996 I was a relative unknown in the industry, but the improvements I created in the way students are treated and taught plus the revolutionary manner in which I "Exchange in Abundance" with my students drove Front Sight to the top of the industry in record time. In fact, I have DOUBLED Front Sight each and every year for 11 straight years and am on track to double again in the next twelve months as we continue to positively change the image of gun ownership in our lifetimes with each and every student who attends our courses.
Even though Front Sight's growth has been explosive, the guns that we train with do not explode.
The reason I make that statement is because prior to opening Front Sight, in numerous courses I attended as a student, I witnessed handguns blowing up…
This occurs when the barrel becomes obstructed due to the previous round being a dud or squib (no powder in the cartridge) so that the bullet does not have enough force from the primer charge to exit the barrel and is followed by a full power round that sends the bullet down the obstructed barrel. The results are exciting, but you don’t want to be holding the gun or next to the gun when it blows apart.
This can also occur when a round has too much powder charge which creates excessive chamber pressure leading to catastrophic failure of the locking mechanism.
This can also occur when soft lead bullets are used which create a build up of lead on the breech face over time, which allows the slide to chamber the round and the trigger to be pressed, but not fully lock the action into place. When the weapon fires, the chamber pressure is not contained and the action explodes.
[h=2]Here is a picture of what that looks like in a Glock pistol. [/h]NOTE: This did not happen at Front Sight and to my knowledge we have never had a gun blow up after tens of millions of rounds fired by tens of thousands of students. There is a reason why it has not happened at Front Sight. After you take a look at this Glock, I will share with you the common denominator in handguns blowing up and tell you the reason why you need not worry about that happening at Front Sight.
The photos below illustrate a catastrophic failure of a Glock 21. Again, this incident did not happen at Front Sight Firearms Training Institute, but is one of many such incidents elsewhere that are the reason why Front Sight has always required students to use factory new ammunition.The shooter of this pistol was using reloaded, full metal jacket ammunition. To the best of our understanding of the incident, the cartridge case was not sized properly, preventing the action from locking up fully, but allowing the action close enough to fire the weapon. The result was an open breech detonation of the cartridge. The photos speak for themselves. The shooter received severely bruised hands, with minor to moderate lacerations to his hands and face. We have received reports of similar incidents with the Glock 21 and I have personally witnessed a less dramatic incident with a Glock 21-magazine blown out of the weapon and shooter's hand bruised. In all incidents reported, reloads were used.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] Click on any of the three images for a larger view. [/FONT]

The common denominator in handguns (or any other gun) blowing up is the use of reloaded ammunition, once-fired-brass ammunition and soft lead bullets.
For this reason, Front Sight only allows FACTORY NEW, COPPER-JACKETED AMMUNITION from reputable companies who sell on the retail markets.
I know I will hear from the hand reloaders on this issue who claim that their meticulous hand loading of ammunition is far superior to anything the factories can produce. My answer to them is this: You are probably right. But what about the hand re-loader on the firing line next to you? Can you vouch for him, too? We can’t. So our policy for the protection of you, him, and the shooter next to him is factory new, copper jacketed ammunition from a reputable company who sells in the retail market.
Our track record of NO GUNS BLOWING UP even with tens of thousands of students shooting millions and millions of rounds -- especially compared to the frequency of guns blowing up I witnessed as a student -- proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that our ammunition policy is right on target. Besides, the slight extra cost incurred in buying factory new ammunition is the cheapest insurance you will have against a catastrophic failure of your own gun or taking shrapnel from the gun next to you.

 

[Ericpwp]

I did not see my type, enthusiastic amateur, listed either

Here's another one in case you haven't seen it before; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g5p6b-ZZ5Y (NSFW so link only)

Hilarious, great music too.

 

[two70]

Hmm... how do you know who the people are who are next to you?

Should they self-identify, perhaps with calling cards, that they forbid you to shoot reloads in their vicinty?

You simply don't shoot at public ranges to solve that problem. This seems to be a much better solution than expecting a public range to operate as one's own private range, like the former poster who recently had a meltdown apparently did.

Personally, I don't frequent public ranges often because I'm more concerned about the shooters behind the guns than the possible reloads in them.