Which rifle, suppressor for deer?

[dudley0]

Man how I wish they didn't have the once a rifle rule.

 

[redpitbull44]

Man how I wish they didn't have the once a rifle rule.

Now wait one minute. The information I have says it doesn't matter, so long as you change the buffer tube before the barrel length. Maybe it has to start life as a pistol. Of course if it is marked multi-use and was soldnin pistol form or asembled from a stripped lower then it would technically be ok.

 

[M4Madness]

If it started life as a pistol, it can be swapped back and forth between rifle and pistol configurations. If it started as a rifle, it must stay a rifle.

So, if you buy a stripped AR-15 lower, its first configuration is critical.

 

[neeltburn]

How about just building a 300 aac off this lower, http://megaarms.com/ar-15/lower-receivers/forged-lower/

Just be sure its M0210 ( marked as a pistol lower) The the 300 BLKOUT makes the case and bullet diameter.

Handguns, other than muzzleloading, must have a barrel at least 4 inches long and must fire a bullet of .243-inch diameter or larger. The handgun cartridge case, without the bullet, must be at least 1.16 inches long. Full metal-jacketed bullets are not permitted.

 

[redpitbull44]

If it started life as a pistol, it can be swapped back and forth between rifle and pistol configurations. If it started as a rifle, it must stay a rifle.

So, if you buy a stripped AR-15 lower, its first configuration is critical.

At the risk of sounding shady, it isn't that critical, because you and whomever you tell are the only ones that would know the true original configuration. And technically, you could install a pistol buffer and short upper for two seconds and the original configuration is now magically pistol. It is an asinine rule.

 

[M4Madness]

How about just building a 300 aac off this lower, http://megaarms.com/ar-15/lower-receivers/forged-lower/

Just be sure its M0210 ( marked as a pistol lower) The 300 BLKOUT makes the case and bullet diameter.

That would work. A pistol-marked lower would be desirable, but not a necessity.

A 300 BLK AR-15 pistol is exactly what I plan to build and suppress for this coming deer season.

 

[JoshuaW]

At the risk of sounding shady, it isn't that critical, because you and whomever you tell are the only ones that would know the true original configuration. And technically, you could install a pistol buffer and short upper for two seconds and the original configuration is now magically pistol. It is an asinine rule.

The 4473 would show whether it started life as a pistol, rifle, or other. Of course the ATF is pretty much the only agency that would check the 4473, but that doesnt make it any less illegal.

Dumb, dumb, dumb laws.

 

[Boomstick]

The 4473 would show whether it started life as a pistol, rifle, or other. Of course the ATF is pretty much the only agency that would check the 4473, but that doesnt make it any less illegal.

Dumb, dumb, dumb laws.

but if it started as a stripped lower it would be marked on the 4473 as OTHER, so like stated they would have to legally build a pistol first, then switch it back and forth how they please.......like stated dumb dumb laws

 

[gunselman]

Related question:

If you permanently attach a suppressor to a short barrel (say 10") 458 SOCOM does Indiana classify that as a legal rifle? I know they have strange wording when it comes to barrel lengths.

 

[Boomstick]

If I understand you correctly, you are meaning taking a 10" short barrel upper, welding a 6" can on to it so the length become 16", then yes, it is a rifle length and would only need the tax stamp on the suppressor, not the SBR

 

[gunselman]

If I understand you correctly, you are meaning taking a 10" short barrel upper, welding a 6" can on to it so the length become 16", then yes, it is a rifle length and would only need the tax stamp on the suppressor, not the SBR

Yes i mean to attache a 6" long can to a 10" long barrel to give a total length of 16". Indiana does define a rifle in a manner that is different than the ATF does.

 

[Boomstick]

That I will have to check in to, in regardes to IN

 

[beeeman]

an AR pistol can have a 30" barrel if you want it to...just no buttstock and no foregrip

 

[gunselman]

an AR pistol can have a 30" barrel if you want it to...just no buttstock and no foregrip

Incorrect.

See below text for Indiana regulations:
IC 35-47-1-6
"Handgun"
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.

 

[beeeman]

Ah, specifically in Indiana for hunting, yes the rules differ from batfe rules. Thanks for posting that info.

 

[M4Madness]

Incorrect.

See below text for Indiana regulations:
IC 35-47-1-6
"Handgun"
Sec. 6. "Handgun" means any firearm:
(1) designed or adapted so as to be aimed and fired from one (1) hand, regardless of barrel length; or
(2) any firearm with:
(A) a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length; or
(B) an overall length of less than twenty-six (26) inches.
As added by P.L.311-1983, SEC.32.

#1 may allow a 30" pistol barrel, depending on the ability to fire it one-handed.

 

[digitalrebel80]

So by part 2 would an sbr be a handgun as long as it meets part a and b

 

[gunselman]

In regards to hunting with an SBR in Indiana, I found this in another forum:


Dear Big-Bore (name obviously changed),

The proposed rule change makes it clear that a short-barreled rifle can only be used to fire a rifle cartridge that meets the specifications in the rule (see below) for rifles.
A short-barreled rifle must fire a cartridge that meets the rifle cartridge requirements. Even with this rule change, a short-barreled rifle can still be used during the deer firearms season in accordance with federal law with a cartridge that is at least .357 in diameter, has a minimum case length of 1.16 inches, and a maximum case length of 1.625 inches. (ed. to add: this maximum case length is now 1.800 inches)

The DNR considers a short-barreled rifle to be a rifle, as defined by federal law, not a handgun.

The .458 SOCOM would still be legal to use as a rifle cartridge during the deer firearms season.

The actual rule language reads as follows (proposed new language is in bold font):

(2) A handgun must:
(A) conform to the requirements of IC 35-47-2;
(B) have a barrel at least four (4) inches long; and
(C) fire a bullet of two hundred forty-three thousandths (.243) inch diameter or larger; and
(D) not be a rifle that has a barrel less than eighteen (18) inches or is designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder.

(4) A rifle must fire a cartridge that meets the following specifications:
(A) fire a bullet of three hundred fifty-seven thousandths (.357) of an inch diameter or larger;
(B) have a minimum case length of one and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches; and
(C) have a maximum case length of one and six hundred twenty-five thousandths (1.625) inches. (this is now 1.800 inches)

Please feel free to contact me if you have any additional questions.

Sincerely,
Linnea Petercheff
Operations Staff Specialist
Division of Fish and Wildlife
402 W. Washington Street, Room W273
Indianapolis, IN 46204
Phone: (317) 233-6527
Fax: (317) 232-8150

 

[digitalrebel80]

So an ar pistol in 300blk is still good to go then

 

[DeadEyeDad]

The 2012-2013 Hunting guide stipulates a dia. of at least .243 or larger and a case length (without bullet) 1.16 or longer as legal ammo for a handgun.

My question: What or who determines if it is a hand gun? I looked up the .300 Ar Pistol and it sort of looks like a rifle.

Is it a handgun because that is what the manufacturer calls it?



LOL Nevermind, I type to slow. my question was answered while I was typing the question.