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[HICKMAN]

Game, set, match - Jimbovia

 

[Skroggster]

With regard to #6, although 9.6.5 is specific to scoring, 11.1.3 is specific to the challenge/appeal process.

In 11.1.3:

"Appeals – the Range Officer makes decisions initially. If the appellant
disagrees with a decision, the Chief Range Officer for the stage or area
in question should be asked to rule. If a disagreement still exists, the
Range Master must be asked to rule."

Notice they use the word "must" in the last sentence.

Just my interpretation.

We are talking steel! There is evidence of a hit or not painted or not (TING) if you hit it, it will be instinct to hesitate. That is a tell tell. If you want to appeal a complete Mike/Miss on steel then I better get higher boots!

 

[BROBERTS]

This what i got from HQ
Appendix C1 item 6 states when hit, if there is no evidence of a hit, it does not full fill the calibration process.

John

[
QUOTE]

6. If, during a course of fire, a popper does not fall when hit, a competitor has
three alternatives:
a. The popper is shot again until it falls. In this case, no further action is
required and the course of fire is scored “as shot”.
b. The popper is left standing but the competitor does not challenge the
calibration. In this case, no further action is required and the course of
fire is scored “as shot”, with the subject popper scored as a miss.
c. The popper is left standing and the competitor challenges the calibration.
In this case, the popper and the surrounding area on which it
stands must not be touched or interfered with by any person. If a
Match Official violates this rule, the competitor must reshoot the
course of fire. If the competitor or any other person violates this rule,
the popper will be scored as a miss and the rest of the course of fire
will be scored “as shot”. If the popper falls for any non-interference
reason (e.g. wind action), before it can be calibrated, Section 4.6 will​

apply and a reshoot must be ordered.
[/QUOTE]

I am looking at c1 item 6 , I know it's late but I can't find that rule as it says. Or am I missing it.

 

[BROBERTS]

If you want to appeal a complete Mike/Miss on steel then I better get higher boots!

You wont believe what people will try to get away with at a state match.

You havent lived untill you RO a stage that the shooter is backing up the hole stage. Then they give you a shirt that say "DQ club".

Come work the State match and put the RO to good use!!!

 

[HICKMAN]

Bart, you are still missing the point, this isn't about US shooting. If I called a Mike on a popper still standing, then the shooter has the right to appeal. I would call the RM and let him look for evidence of a hit or not if the shooter thought he hit it.

 

[bwframe]

If I called a Mike on a popper still standing, then the shooter has the right to appeal. I would call the RM and let him look for evidence of a hit or not if the shooter thought he hit it.

So the answer is; "yes" the CRO can deny the calibration challenge due to no evidence of a hit. At that point, the shooter is challenging the scoring, thus the RM is brought in to verify the evidence.

 

[Skroggster]

So the answer is; "yes" the CRO can deny the calibration challenge due to no evidence of a hit. At that point, the shooter is challenging the scoring, thus the RM is brought in to verify the evidence.

correct!

 

[Skroggster]

But are we talking club match or LII or LIII? I am sure it should be even, but revert back to Mongo's statement!

 

[Barrn]

The shooter is not appealing a Mike. The shooter is challenging the calibration.

 

[Skroggster]

The shooter is not appealing a Mike. The shooter is challenging the calibration.

Did he for sure hit it? If NO evidence within the calibration zone then what do YOU as an RO call it for score?

 

[Jimbovia]

OK, just my here...

The question isn't directly related to calibration, or the hit for that matter. It has to do with the CRO's decision to deny the challenge in its entirety. "Is the CRO correct in this ruling?"

No, because "If a disagreement still exists, the
Range Master must be asked to rule."

The CRO doesnt have the choice to disregard the challenge at his/her level.

 

[Litlratt]

The CRO did not deny the shooter an appeal, he denied the shooter a calibration challenge.

 

[Barrn]

The shooter engaged the popper. The popper did not fall. There is no evidence of a hit. I will call it a Mike.

 

[bwframe]

What if Metcalf goes out and touches the steel?

 

[Litlratt]

This scenario appears to be nothing more than the shooter attempting to circumvent the rules.
If he challenges the score, he can appeal all the way to the RM and he still ends up with a miss.
If he challenges the calibration and gets one, and the calibration fails he gets a reshoot.

 

[Litlratt]

What if Metcalf goes out and touches the steel?

It would be a crock of ****.

 

[mongo404]

What if Metcalf goes out and touches the steel?

I know this was a joke but..
Is there evidence of a hit? It all depends Is he the shooter? If he is then its a mike no calibration check no reshoot and slap him for doing it!!! Or that might be considered unsportsman like conduct.. If he is not the shooter then a reshoot is in order. Because the condition of the steel has been changed. You are not suppose to touch a target until it has been scored.. WE have seen theis before with groups shooting together. On paper targets If on member has a bad run One of the others from the group will prematurley paste a target before scoring hince a reshoot.. Just Saying

 

[Litlratt]

The only time he would get a reshoot would be if a RO did it.
That is why it is a crock of ****. <<That is a quote.

 

[riverman67]

The shooter engaged the popper. The popper did not fall. There is no evidence of a hit. I will call it a Mike.

And according to John Amidon you would be correct
If the shooter then challenges that he hit the popper , it is a scoring challenge and everyone including the RM will deny him a calibration because the question clearly states that there is no evidence of a hit on the steel.

 

[riverman67]

What if Metcalf goes out and touches the steel?

It would be a crock of ****.

The only time he would get a reshoot would be if a RO did it.
That is why it is a crock of ****. <<That is a quote.

That was funny ,I agree it's a crock of **** ,but funny