Wouldn't this require a tax stamp?

[Ruffnek]

 

[Force10]

I did a quick Google and it looks like *most* of his knives were black powder. Made in Bedford, IN. Didn't see anyone mention whether it needed to be licensed as an AOW or not though...

 

[Bigtanker]

I wouldn't think so. As long as it doesn't shoot the blade.

 

[Force10]

I wouldn't think so. As long as it doesn't shoot the blade.

??? There is a single-shot "pistol" built into the knife...

 

[engineerpower]

Ballistic knives are firearms that shoot the blade as a projectile, and are classified as AOW's. Firearms that do not use fixed ammunition (blackpowder/muzzleloading) do not fall under the purview of the NFA.

Now, a blackpowder ballistic knife? could go either way, have to check the NFA text. But this particular knife-gun would be kosher if it's blackpowder. Might even be kosher if it's rimfire, I believe the knife-gun AOW's were directed towards knives concealing the gun-part, but this one doesn't really do that.

 

[Bigtanker]

??? There is a single-shot "pistol" built into the knife...

I was thinking it was more of a gun with a knife attached.

 

[ryknoll3]

Ballistic knives are firearms that shoot the blade as a projectile, and are classified as AOW's. Firearms that do not use fixed ammunition (blackpowder/muzzleloading) do not fall under the purview of the NFA.

Now, a blackpowder ballistic knife? could go either way, have to check the NFA text. But this particular knife-gun would be kosher if it's blackpowder. Might even be kosher if it's rimfire, I believe the knife-gun AOW's were directed towards knives concealing the gun-part, but this one doesn't really do that.

AOW's cover guns that don't "look like" guns. This would probably qualify if it takes fixed ammo. An example would be a pen gun. A pen gun that shoots while it looks like a pen (completely straight) is an AOW. A pen gun that has to be folded to resemble the shape of a handgun (an obtuse angle) is NOT an AOW. Even though the "mechanism" of the gun is always visible on this knife, given that it would never "look" like a gun, I'd say it should be an AOW, again, if it's not blackpowder.

 

[Force10]

I was thinking it was more of a gun with a knife attached.

Good point. I can see your logic there.

 

[engineerpower]

Good point. I can see your logic there.

Woah, woah. Let's not get ahead of ourselves and bring "logic" in a conversation about the NFA...

I think the intention of the AOW in this aspect is that a firearm is concealed inside a non-firearm object. Gun-in-a-cane/briefcase/wallet/knife/etc. This particular device is very obviously not a gun inside a knife, and the gun part is readily identified upon casual observation. A Tech Branch letter would be a big help to clarify in re: fixed ammo, but this doesn't seem to be a "concealable" device.

 

[BogWalker]

I would call it a gun with a knife. Think of it like a very tiny pistol with a very tiny bayonet.

I, however, am not the BATFE. They may very well consider it a gun disguised as a knife.

 

[Force10]

Woah, woah. Let's not get ahead of ourselves and bring "logic" in a conversation about the NFA...

I think the intention of the AOW in this aspect is that a firearm is concealed inside a non-firearm object. Gun-in-a-cane/briefcase/wallet/knife/etc. This particular device is very obviously not a gun inside a knife, and the gun part is readily identified upon casual observation. A Tech Branch letter would be a big help to clarify in re: fixed ammo, but this doesn't seem to be a "concealable" device.

I never intended to say that the NFA was logical, but that Bigtanker had arrived at his conclusion taking a different route than I.

I try to not think logically when it comes to things like the ATF, NFA, and GCA, as logic inherently makes understanding these things more difficult.