WOW another jaw dropping documentery about our questionable government

[ARININ]

Please if you watched Freedom to Fascism in the other thread please just give yourself the time to subjectively listen to the "other point of view"

I know its allot to digest but rest assured it is single handily the most important information you could ever and I mean EVER KNOW of. if you agree with it or not YOU MUST FIRST HEAR BOTH SIDES?

AND PLEASE PLEASE disscuss here in this thread if you take the time to watch thank you God Bless




TerrorStorm (Alex Jones)





Loose Change Final Cut

 

[sloughfoot]

Airplanes piloted by suicidal terrorists flew into the world trade center buildings and destroyed them killing thousands of people.

What is the controversy?

I am very aware of who the enemies of my country are. I will shoot them in the head if I come across them, before they shoot me.

I am very clear on this. What are you trying to say by this video?

 

[turnandshoot4]

"We will disarm him in the name of peace" I love the political doublespeak.

 

[ARININ]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times]I am not saying anything other than supplying links to Videos I find to be Extremely interesting, and thought provoking. I feel like the main stream media does not give us all of the facts, and its refreshing to hear some unfiltered truths.


Have you even watched it, or are you "too good" to waste your time. If so then why waste mine by asking me a loaded question.

Listen some people want to know this stuff, and do not know where to find it so I posted the links.

some will thanks me, some will hate me? I could care less either way. I have my opinions on what takes place, and they are based on looking into things a littel bit further than just swallowing down what my television tells me to belive.

Another great website is

AE911Truth

From there page....

[/FONT]About Us

We are a non-partisan association of Architects, Engineers, and affiliates, who are dedicated to exposing the falsehoods and to revealing truths about the “collapses” of the WTC high-rises on 9/11/01.

We call upon Congress for a truly independent investigation with subpoena power. We believe that there may be sufficient evidence to conclude that the World Trade Center buildings #1 (North Tower), #2 (South Tower), and #7 (the 47 story high-rise across Vessey St.) were destroyed not by jet impact and fires but by controlled demolition with explosives.
We believe that this website, as well as the other referenced sites, contains the information necessary to demonstrate to all with an open mind that this is the case, and that such an investigation is warranted and overdue. We believe that the available relevant evidence casts grave doubt on the government's official story of these “collapses”.
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth are encouraged to take an active role by reporting the results of their research on 9/11 by means of lectures, articles, and methods of disseminating the truth about the 9/11 WTC building “collapses”.

Richard Gage, AIA is the founding member of ae911Truth.org. He has been a practicing Architect for 20 years and has worked on most types of building construction including numerous fire-proofed steel-framed buildings. He is employed with a San Francisco Bay Area architecture firm and has most recently performed Construction Administration services for a new $120M High School campus including a $10M steel-framed Gymnasium. Most recently he worked on the Design Development for a very large mixed use urban project with 1.2M sq.ft. of retail and 320K sq.ft. of mid-rise office space — altogether about 1,200 tons of steel framing.

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[Lars]

Anytime I run across anything from Alex Jones, or any of his friends & cohorts. I feel an overwhelming need to go acquire my tinfoil hat, and lead underwear.

 

[TRWXXA]

Conspiracy theories are generally the result of a defective, irrational mind that needs to deal with harsh reality by inventing a cause that has the same apparent magnitude as the effect.

Examples:

"John Fitzgerald Kennedy was such a great man that one, lone gunman could not have possibly killed him." (Reality: Crappy Oliver Stone movies not withstanding, it has been repeatedly, scientifically proven that three shots came from the same point.)

"A tiny spark from a short in a little wire couldn't possibly blow up a giant, Boeing 747, and kill hundreds of people. TWA 800 had to be shot down by the US Navy." (Reality: The nearest naval warship was over twice as far as the range of the longest range surface-to-air missle in the US arsenal. Furthermore, the explosion was duplicated by investigators.)

"A score of swarthy, young, middle-easterners couldn't possibly sneak box cutters through crack teams of airport security specialists, hijack airliners and fly them into buildings, killing thousands. The US government, headed by George W. Bush, must have done it." (Reality: Does this one REALLY need to be explained to anyone here? If "yes", then do you need to borrow some tin foil?)

 

[ARININ]

You guys are all the same, you refuse to look at the Facts.

I will Pay you $100 if you can find anything on the ae911truth.org website that isn't grounded in 100% Scientific FACT!


Are you willing to take me up on the Challenge.


Yes Alex Jones is "intense" I agree but i still after 4 years of listing to him have not yet ONCe been able to dissprove a single thing he has said or shed light on no matter HOW controversial his subjetc material is.


PLease do not comment if you have not or do not have intentions of looking at things with a open mind.

You would seriously have to clear your mind put your self into a "anything is possible mentality" and simply watch the above videos to get the ball rolling. Once you saw how outrageous some of the calims seem to bee the next rational step would be to question its authenticity, then hopefully if you are as open minded as you calim to be you would do some background research and fact checking to decipher for your self what is truth and waht is fiction.


For instance when i first saw terrorstorm i said NO WAY was Opperation northwoods or the Gulf of tonkin incedent real!!!


Then i did my own research and found out that it was in fact true and that they were infact examples of False flag terrorism. Than made me start to question WHAT IF, and after seriously researching all the calims that are factual i have made a conclusion.

Now im not simply telling you to belive me at face value. But for you to rather do your own research and question it for your self.

THink of it as a mission to prove me WRONG!!!

But you wont even do that all you do is "Parrot" waht you read in popular mechanics, and what you hear and see on the MSM!

That isnt thinking for your self, that is simply being spoonfed dissinfo and then regurgitating out as if it were fact, you have not gone in got your hands dirty and come to conclusions on your own you simply just trust that the TV, government would never lie to you and that it must be true.

Ifnfact while you at it look up the cia founded "Project Mockingbird"


Seriously it take a certain level of will and intelligence to go in and discern for yourself. Both of which im sure you have


Picture yourself back in the early days of science, and this one guy said the earth was round!! Get my point?

Ask your self What if and then listen to the calim made in the above videos, and then try to dissprove it. I garuntee you will be shocked at what you find.

Thats all for now

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...fm1KI7Q-AHCjs2jCA&q=blueprint+for+truth&hl=en


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[kedie]

Damn it. The whole 9-11 "truth" movement needs to STFU and die. Every single crackpot theroy proposed by these people has been debunked by experts actually qualified in scientific fields. I guess education and experience don't matter to truthers. 19 horrible men flew three planes into three buildings and one into a field that day. That is what happened.

The biggest fallacy that I hear is that fire couldn't have brought down the WTC. ********. The WTC was build using light-weight steel trusses, or bar joists. Steel looses it's structural strength at 1128 degrees F. It dosen't have to melt to collapse. You can get those temps in a fire on any house on any street in America. It's firefighter 101.

READ AND LEARN:
Why the WTC Building Collapsed

Sorry for the rant, I'm just tired of people spreading lies and half truths.

 

[ARININ]

Damn it. The whole 9-11 "truth" movement needs to STFU and die. Every single crackpot theroy proposed by these people has been debunked by experts actually qualified in scientific fields. I guess education and experience don't matter to truthers. 19 horrible men flew three planes into three buildings and one into a field that day. That is what happened.

The biggest fallacy that I hear is that fire couldn't have brought down the WTC. ********. The WTC was build using light-weight steel trusses, or bar joists. Steel looses it's structural strength at 1128 degrees F. It dosen't have to melt to collapse. You can get those temps in a fire on any house on any street in America. It's firefighter 101.

Sorry for the rant, I'm just tired of people spreading lies and half truths.

No worries for the rants its a very emotional subject i understand.


You claim that steel does not have to melt to induce Collapse and I agree, then do you have a answer as to why there was TONS upon TONs of liquid molten steel in the wreckage of the tower 6 weeks after collapse

Infact it was so hot 3 months after collpase it was still melting first responder boots.

I understand you feel strongly about the way you view 9/11


You would need temps in excess of 2700 to creat MOLTEN POOLS OF STEEL!!!

And please dont call me a crack pot, passionate yes, crack pot NO



Will you please watch this

9/11 Blueprint for Truth (2008 Edition)

 

[danielocean03]

ARININ, as a fellow member of this site, I respect your opinion, especially when defending theories you strongly believe in. Please don't take offense to my post. I find it horribly disrespectful of you to argue that the events of 9/11 were anything different than what kedie posted. Remember, you are talking about innocent American people who were shamelessly murdered in a terrorist act. Show some damn respect. There is a time and a place for everything. I'm sure there are forums out there for people to discuss specific conspiracy theories.

I understand your reasoning for posting this following the posting of "America, Freedom to Fascism", but that didn't disrespect the victims and families of of a terrorist act. I also understand that our government can F#$%, will F#$%, and has F#$%ed us over in more ways than we can even imagine, even when we obey the ridiculous laws imposed upon our freedoms, but I don't think this is appropriate.

 

[Windwalker]

I do not know that your theories are all correct but I do know that I have not heard the Government investigators answer some of the questions asked that need to be answered.Also, I don't believe some of the answers they did give. So, I guess you can send me a tinfoil hat, size ex. lg., to wear until an impartial investigation is done and their reports published.

 

[elaw555]

I will Pay you $100 if you can find anything on the ae911truth.org website that isn't grounded in 100% Scientific FACT!

I'm going to have a little fun with this. Note though, I am not a scientist, engineer, or expert and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night. I am also going to confine myself to some the 14 points laid out on the right of the front page pertaining to the WTC Towers.

4. Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes

First, I read these are gathered from oral histories, which are likely to be inaccurate as they are perceptions taken after the attack happened and can easily be tainted by a number of factors that affect ones memory. As real world experience shows, men in battle often remember the same combat action completely differently, despite having been located quite close to each other. The sample also says that 118 first responders remember having heard explosions or seen flashes. But deeper in the report we learn that the sample taken was from a total of 503 responders. So 23% remember seeing flashes and explosions? Thats not exactly a ringing endorsement yet it is trumpeted on the web site and on the info cards prepared by the organization. Would you carry a defensive JHP ammunition that had a 23 percent chance of expanding?


12. Evidence of thermite incendiaries found in steel & dust samples

Lets go with this next. First off, thermite is not an explosive, it does not go bang, and it could not account for anyone hearing an kind of explosion. The products that make thermite are aluminum powder and iron oxide (rust). Aluminum powder has its most popular use in aluminum metal, of which I might just have a couple of tons within twenty feet of my office space right now. Aluminum office furniture + rust add enough heat = a thermite reaction.

13. FEMA steel analysis: sulfidation, oxidation & intergranular melting

If you click on the link associated with this you find that nowhere but in the last sentence does anything near an explosion get mentioned, and the main evidence seems to be the abundance of sulfur in the steel. An additive to Jet-A fuel is Dinonylnaphthylsulfonic acid, an anti-static compund added to jet fuel as a safety measure. Sulfur is .3 percent by weight of Jet-A which means that if 120,000 pounds of fuel were carried (certainly not close to the maximum fuel capacity of a 767) then about 360 pounds of pure liquid sulfur was present in the aircraft when it struck the tower. This may not be the exact explanation but it is certainly more credible than a controlled thermite explosion.

7. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
The massive amount of het generated by burning fuel, friction, and a host of other things could easily cause this phenomenon. Also the force caused extremely high winds away from the site, and these winds had to flow down 75 foot wide streets, which just increased the velocity. Turn on the water hose...then put your thumb over half the opening. Increased velocity. Also where the wind encountered buildings it had only one place to go...up.

The lst one I will go with is

14. No precedent for steel-framed high-rise collapse due to fire

This wasn't a fire like anyone had planned for. No one had expected 20 thousand gallons of jet fuel to burn in an office building. It was also widely reported that the WTC had been analysed to show that it could withstand a hit by an aircraft, a 707. The 707 used in the analysis was 80,000 pounds lighter than the 767 that hit the towers. But the big problem is that the analysis was done with the expectation that it would be an accident, not an act of terrorism. To think otherwise would assume the analysts had expeted there to be a terrorist event, an assumption that is laughable when you consider that is was built in the 1960's, prior to the rash of overseas hijackings. The thought that terrorists could use an aircraft as the explosive device was even foreign to us until 9/11. The planners expected an aircraft to be traveling at 200 knots, light on fuel, and lost in fog when it hit the towers, not at 600 knots, carrying 90 percent of its planned fuel, and aiming for a target.

The situation is unique in that we have no precedent to base an investagation on, because this has never happend before, and certainly should not be the place where one makes 10 consecutive assumptions and then declares "facts" that one can debunk using Google and 45 minutes of my companies time.

Normally I would ask you to now make good on your offer above, but I would just waste the money on guns I don't need. Instead, why don't you donate 10 percent of it to the USO and keep the rest. Let it remind you that thinking indepentently and disagreeing with the government aren't the same thing.

And Happy New Year!!

 

[Drail]

I would be interested in your source for your claim that Jet A fuel burns at 3600 degrees C. in open air.

 

[jedi]

14. No precedent for steel-framed high-rise collapse due to fire

This wasn't a fire like anyone had planned for. No one had expected 20 thousand gallons of jet fuel to burn at 3600 degrees C in an office building. It was also widely reported that the WTC had been analysed to show that it could withstand a hit by an aircraft, a 707. The 707 used in the analysis was 80,000 pounds lighter than the 767 that hit the towers. But the big problem is that the analysis was done with the expectation that it would be an accident, not an act of terrorism. To think otherwise would assume the analysts had expeted there to be a terrorist event, an assumption that is laughable when you consider that is was built in the 1960's, prior to the rash of overseas hijackings. The thought that terrorists could use an aircraft as the explosive device was even foreign to us until 9/11. The planners expected an aircraft to be traveling at 200 knots, light on fuel, and lost in fog when it hit the towers, not at 600 knots, carrying 90 percent of its planned fuel, and aiming for a target.

True when the planners were designing the towers.
Not true by 2000 by some government agencies and people with TS level access. There were/are a series of slides with various possible targets and ways to attack those targets that were around since 2000 within MIL planning circles.

 

[Metro 40]

Can you imagine the magnitude of such a conspiracy, keeping everyone quiet, with no one involved in the massive conspiracy talking to anyone? The fact that these conspiracy theory nuts can actually believe that something of this magnitude could actually be kept quiet just boggles the mind!

Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - Popular Mechanics

Look...the conspiracy theory yahoos will always believe that they are right. You can no more argue with a conspiracy theorist than you can argue with a mentally ill person or a religious zealot. Facts and reason mean nothing to them. They NEED this conspiracy crap to enrich their pathetic lives.....regardless of how much their inane drivel affects the lives of the victims of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

 

[TRWXXA]

Look...the conspiracy theory yahoos will always believe that they are right. You can no more argue with a conspiracy theorist than you can argue with a mentally ill person or a religious zealot. Facts and reason mean nothing to them. They NEED this conspiracy crap to enrich their pathetic lives.....regardless of how much their inane drivel affects the lives of the victims of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

+1, Metro!!!

Conspiracy theories come from paranoid, delusional schizophrenia.

ARININ. You should get a medical text book and look it up. See if you recognize the symptoms. I doubt you would though. You have already demonstrated an adept ability to ignore facts, reason and logic, so I'm sure you can rationalize anything away. Just wonderin'... What color is the sky in that world of yours?



Sorry for the personal attack, folks, but I take the filth these conspiracy theorists spew personally. Not only does it insult my intelligence, but I went through a personal hell on September 11, 2001. It was not the unfathomable hell suffered by many thousands of other people on that day, but it was hell enough for me. I was in the middle of it and I take it as a personal affront when some crackpot tells me what I went through didn't happen.


So AIRNIN... Pretty-please with sugar on top... Go f&$# yourself!!!

 

[Panama]

Please if you watched Freedom to Fascism in the other thread please just give yourself the time to subjectively listen to the "other point of view"

I know its allot to digest but rest assured it is single handily the most important information you could ever and I mean EVER KNOW of. if you agree with it or not YOU MUST FIRST HEAR BOTH SIDES?

AND PLEASE PLEASE disscuss here in this thread if you take the time to watch thank you God Bless

ARININ,
I defend "peoples" right to be the ignorant jackasses that "some" obviously are!

Not to mention, the gutless morons that like to say, "I am just asking you to consider the science" if the assholes and idiots that believe this idiocy feel strongly enough to bring it up for discussion, then state your opinion openly or shut the f#ck up!

My clearly stated opinion is, anybody that believes in this total horse **** theory, should move to the "NEW" country of their choosing, IMMEDIATELY!

 

[turnandshoot4]

Look...the conspiracy theory yahoos will always believe that they are right. You can no more argue with a conspiracy theorist than you can argue with a mentally ill person or a religious zealot. Facts and reason mean nothing to them. They NEED this conspiracy crap to enrich their pathetic lives.....regardless of how much their inane drivel affects the lives of the victims of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Facts and reason mean nothing to Metro 40. He needs this to enrich his pathetic life....regardless of how much his inane drives affects the lives of the people he is talking to.

I mean really. Why do this? Do you always talk down to people? I have watched it countless times on this site and it is getting old. Thank you for your popular mechanics article. That would have sufficed.

ARININ,
I defend "peoples" right to be the ignorant jackasses that "some" obviously are!

Not to mention, the gutless morons that like to say, "I am just asking you to consider the science" if the assholes and idiots that believe this idiocy feel strongly enough to bring it up for discussion, then state your opinion openly or shut the f#ck up!

My clearly stated opinion is, anybody that believes in this total horse **** theory, should move to the "NEW" country of their choosing, IMMEDIATELY!

Why should they leave? Because they disagree with you? Or the government? Questioning the government is the nature of being an American! Here we are calling names again and not even getting a good discussion.

Has anyone watched the video? Well, anyone that disagrees?

+1, Metro!!!

Conspiracy theories come from paranoid, delusional schizophrenia.

ARININ. You should get a medical text book and look it up. See if you recognize the symptoms. I doubt you would though. You have already demonstrated an adept ability to ignore facts, reason and logic, so I'm sure you can rationalize anything away. Just wonderin'... What color is the sky in that world of yours?



Sorry for the personal attack, folks, but I take the filth these conspiracy theorists spew personally. Not only does it insult my intelligence, but I went through a personal hell on September 11, 2001. It was not the unfathomable hell suffered by many thousands of other people on that day, but it was hell enough for me. I was in the middle of it and I take it as a personal affront when some crackpot tells me what I went through didn't happen.


So AIRNIN... Pretty-please with sugar on top... Go f&$# yourself!!!

You see, I have two theories.

1. Anything that comes before a but is totally negated. I really like you Wendy, but you are rude. What does Wendy think now?

2. Sorry's don't mean squat. I punch you in the eye and then say sorry. Well your eye still hurts. But hey I said sorry right? So all is better right? Nope. You still had to resort to a personal attack instead of some discussion.

Go f yourself? Real nice.

 

[TRWXXA]

You see, I have two theories.

1. Anything that comes before a but is totally negated. I really like you Wendy, but you are rude. What does Wendy think now?

2. Sorry's don't mean squat. I punch you in the eye and then say sorry. Well your eye still hurts. But hey I said sorry right? So all is better right? Nope. You still had to resort to a personal attack instead of some discussion.

Your "two theories" are about as stupid and illogical as the 9/11 conspiracy.

BTW: I wasn't apologizing to ARININ, but the reasonable folks here who have to suffer through this dopey bullsh!t. I'd have personally confronted ARININ in private, but I don't know what the visiting hours are at the boobyhatch.

Perhaps you know.

Go f yourself? Real nice.

I said, "Please."

If any of you mental defectives actually think the leadership in our government, no matter how moronic and corrupt it may be, is capable of murdering 3000+ of it's citizens, then how come you're still here? Why don't you emmigrate to Canada, or better yet, France. I mean, seriously, you could be the victims of the next big government conspiracy! One day you're strolling into your office with your tall Starbucks latte (or sitting quietly in your padded cell, as the case may be), and agents of the nasty, evil US empire blow up the building around you! Why take that chance? For the safety of you and your family... Get out of here, fast!!! PLEASE!!!!!

 

[turnandshoot4]

Your "two theories" are about as stupid and illogical as the 9/11 conspiracy.

BTW: I wasn't apologizing to ARININ, but the reasonable folks here who have to suffer through this dopey bullsh!t. I'd have personally confronted ARININ in private, but I don't know what the visiting hours are at the boobyhatch.

Perhaps you know.


I said, "Please."

If any of you mental defectives actually think the leadership in our government, no matter how moronic and corrupt it may be, is capable of murdering 3000+ of it's citizens, then how come you're still here? Why don't you emmigrate to Canada, or better yet, France. I mean, seriously, you could be the victims of the next big government conspiracy! One day you're strolling into your office with your tall Starbucks latte (or sitting quietly in your padded cell, as the case may be), and agents of the nasty, evil US empire blow up the building around you! Why take that chance? For the safety of you and your family... Get out of here, fast!!! PLEASE!!!!!

Thanks for the comment on my theories, I'm always open to criticism

I hope you were able to visit him at the boobyhatch.

Your manners are impecable, you did go out of your way when you said please.

Did you watch the video?