Your vote must be cast wisely, will it be right?

[Project972]

i like what iread. vote bad.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

IBM, FWIW, I happen to agree with you. Mitt will likely disappoint me on numerous times if he gets elected. He isn't the modern day incarntion of George Washington, but he is a damned sight better than the redistributinist-in-chief.

As far as butt-hurt goes, the Johnson fan-boys sure don't miss an opportunity to get it every chance they get....talking about a broken record

 

[hornadylnl]

IBM, FWIW, I happen to agree with you. Mitt will likely disappoint me on numerous times if he gets elected. He isn't the modern day incarntion of George Washington, but he is a damned sight better than the redistributinist-in-chief.

As far as butt-hurt goes, the Johnson fan-boys sure don't miss an opportunity to get it every chance they get....talking about a broken record

We'll see who's on here threatening violence after Obama wins.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Actually, although I'm not voting for him, I think it would be a hoot if Johnson won the election. Imagine all our Libertarian comrades here in 2015 crying in their beer about how their candidate failed to carry out his campaign promises. . .

....or, heaven forbid, compromise to get a bill passed. Oh that's right, he'll demonstrate his leadership by just vetoing everything.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

We'll see who's on here threatening violence after Obama wins.

You got me there....I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[hornadylnl]

You got me there....I have no idea what you're talking about.

You weren't here after the last election.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

You weren't here after the last election.

Gotcha. I'd imagine those that threatened violence then are probably "shooters" now.

 

[mrjarrell]

Gotcha. I'd imagine those that threatened violence then are probably "shooters" now.

You'd be surprised.

 

[hornadylnl]

Gotcha. I'd imagine those that threatened violence then are probably "shooters" now.

If you think these threads are heated, they're nothing compared to the day after the last election. I did a search the other day and there are very few threads left leading up to and right after the election. Most all got deleted. There were at least a few threatening violence against those of us voting third party. Quite the representatives of republican liberty, they were.

I'm fully expecting more of the same this year.

 

[sepe]

Actually, although I'm not voting for him, I think it would be a hoot if Johnson won the election. Imagine all our Libertarian comrades here in 2015 crying in their beer about how their candidate failed to carry out his campaign promises. . .

If Johnson did get elected, I'd be fairly happy if he just vetoed the majority of the BS policy your establishment politicians happily push through without reading.

 

[NYFelon]

So what? I don't think IBM was saying that a vote for anyone but Romney was the equivalent of hating America. You didn't have a problem mischaracterizing the intent of his post. Why should you have a problem with me doing it to you?



So is a vote for Johnson since Johnson won't win.

I don't know that what I did was mischaracterize what IBM said as use hyperbole to illustrate how tired I personally am of being told that a vote for anyone but the Republican anointed one is a vote for Barry. That isn't just here, but in an all-encompassing sense. Admittedly, I am probably the most politically active of my small circle of associates. So much so that I am often derided for it because "It doesn't matter anyway." That last is what many of my friends say. Of my friends and family that are politically active, most are liberals (I do live in NY, after all). The few who are Republican, bombard me with the "A vote for anyone but Romney is tantamount to tying a hundred kittens in a bag and tossing it in a river." I have gotten about half a dozen of my friends and family to claim to vote for Governor Johnson. What they actually do in the Voting booth is of course up to them.

Now, back to the point. As I say, the pro-Party voice is incredibly loud. In many cases it is a cacophonous bellow of melodrama about apocalypse, starvation, Stalinism, pejorative of your choosing here. This thread was just as likely to trigger my WTF button as the next. It just so happened it was here, and I used a literary tool to display my frustration. I personally do not see Romney as any better than Obama. Also, not that I'm important enough for you to look, but I have repeatedly said here that winning control of the Houses of Congress is far more important than is dethroning King Hussein of Kenya. I'd sooner see Barry O be reelected and have an entirely hostile Congress than see Catcher's Mitt win and have the Senate stay in Democrat hands.

Also, I am aware that Governor Johnson is not going to win. Frankly though, neither is Willard. I am also realist enough to understand that even if through the holy noodly appendage of the Flying Spaghetti Monster Governor Johnston was to win, his every effort would be stymied by both major parties in Congress because he would try and slaughter all their sacred cows. Again though, I cannot in good conscience vote for W.M. Romney, just as I could not vote for McCain. In all honesty, I am of the opinion that come election night, Obama is going to clobber Romney like Ivan Drago did Apollo Creed. My vote is entirely based on personal principle, as I'm sure most voters' is. Whether I see it as misguided isn't really relevant. I simply voiced my opinion on all the screeds on "banding together to get this guy out, and we'll work on getting back to founding principles next time." That hasn't happened yet, and Romney has a record of not being a constructionist by any means. No thank you, I'll pass. YMMV.

Also, I'm glad you recognized the humor in my parting sentence. Now I'm going to go eat my osso bucco. See ya later.

 

[IndyBeerman]

So what? I don't think IBM was saying that a vote for anyone but Romney was the equivalent of hating America. You didn't have a problem mischaracterizing the intent of his post. Why should you have a problem with me doing it to you?

So is a vote for Johnson since Johnson won't win.

Correct, people fail to see the real reason of the post

IBM, FWIW, I happen to agree with you. Mitt will likely disappoint me on numerous times if he gets elected. He isn't the modern day incarntion of George Washington, but he is a damned sight better than the redistributinist-in-chief.

As far as butt-hurt goes, the Johnson fan-boys sure don't miss an opportunity to get it every chance they get....talking about a broken record

Romney if elected will disappoint people @ one time or another, no one is prefect and can not satisfy everyone. But I do not see him as an enemy to the 2nd that I see O as.

My post is to raise the awareness that if Obama wins, our 2nd Amendment rights are in EXTREME jeopardy, if people fail to see that, then turn in your firearms now to be destroyed.

If Obama wins, this also means that there is a distinct possibility that enough votes are swayed that there would be no chance to win enough senate seats to gain control of the senate, or God forbid, a unreal swing of congressional seats and allow it back into Democratic control. There are far too many people who walk into a voting booth and pull a single party lever, it is amazing on how many do this because that is what they have been "Trained" to do.

Stop and think of the ramifications all around.....

Imagine what it would be like if Obama has a second term and he had Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi controling the Senate and House. We got Obama Care rammed down our throats with a majority of people speaking out against it.

Rome was not built in a day, and changing the political face of America will not happen in a day. But people better start waking up to the fact that the Democratic party and Obama have their agenda and it does not include the right of the people to bear arms.

O is our enemy before us, he can have the ability to alter the legal landscape ahead of us for decades with the appointment of 1, 2 or possibly 3 new Supreme Court Justices and anything ruled in favor of our rights over the last few years can be reversed with a liberal left leaning USSC that will not only affect us, but our children and grandchildren and generations down the line.

 

[9mmfan]

Correct, people fail to see the real reason of the post





Romney if elected will disappoint people @ one time or another, no one is prefect and can not satisfy everyone. But I do not see him as an enemy to the 2nd that I see O as.

My post is to raise the awareness that if Obama wins, our 2nd Amendment rights are in EXTREME jeopardy, if people fail to see that, then turn in your firearms now to be destroyed.

If Obama wins, this also means that there is a distinct possibility that enough votes are swayed that there would be no chance to win enough senate seats to gain control of the senate, or God forbid, a unreal swing of congressional seats and allow it back into Democratic control. There are far too many people who walk into a voting booth and pull a single party lever, it is amazing on how many do this because that is what they have been "Trained" to do.

Stop and think of the ramifications all around.....

Imagine what it would be like if Obama has a second term and he had Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi controling the Senate and House. We got Obama Care rammed down our throats with a majority of people speaking out against it.

Rome was not built in a day, and changing the political face of America will not happen in a day. But people better start waking up to the fact that the Democratic party and Obama have their agenda and it does not include the right of the people to bear arms.

O is our enemy before us, he can have the ability to alter the legal landscape ahead of us for decades with the appointment of 1, 2 or possibly 3 new Supreme Court Justices and anything ruled in favor of our rights over the last few years can be reversed with a liberal left leaning USSC that will not only affect us, but our children and grandchildren and generations down the line.

I'd rep you but I'm all out!

 

[churchmouse]

I am most anxious about the likelihood of sitting one or two supremes. His executive orders are also troubling. I wonder what he will be giving Putin if he gets a second term?

Putin will give the big "O" a well deserved reach around most likely.

 

[jedi]

Don't let others tell you who you should vote for..... As long as you for a candidate who YOU think is the best choice, then your vote will be right...

/thread

OP you want the usa to go to hell in the next 10 years when you are still old enough to do something or in the next 40 years when you are to old to do something. Either way d or r we are going to hell. Just depends on how fast we arrive so we can start over.

The cliff is fast approaching and there is no stopping us going over now.

 

[churchmouse]

/thread

OP you want the usa to go to hell in the next 10 years when you are still old enough to do something or in the next 40 years when you are to old to do something. Either way d or r we are going to hell. Just depends on how fast we arrive so we can start over.

The cliff is fast approaching and there is no stopping us going over now.

So we just throw in the towel and let the pieces fall where the may. I dislike/miss-trust all politicians. All of them.

Just give up, do I understand you and several others?????

 

[sepe]

Correct, people fail to see the real reason of the post





Romney if elected will disappoint people @ one time or another, no one is prefect and can not satisfy everyone. But I do not see him as an enemy to the 2nd that I see O as.

My post is to raise the awareness that if Obama wins, our 2nd Amendment rights are in EXTREME jeopardy, if people fail to see that, then turn in your firearms now to be destroyed.

If Obama wins, this also means that there is a distinct possibility that enough votes are swayed that there would be no chance to win enough senate seats to gain control of the senate, or God forbid, a unreal swing of congressional seats and allow it back into Democratic control. There are far too many people who walk into a voting booth and pull a single party lever, it is amazing on how many do this because that is what they have been "Trained" to do.

Stop and think of the ramifications all around.....

Imagine what it would be like if Obama has a second term and he had Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi controling the Senate and House. We got Obama Care rammed down our throats with a majority of people speaking out against it.

Rome was not built in a day, and changing the political face of America will not happen in a day. But people better start waking up to the fact that the Democratic party and Obama have their agenda and it does not include the right of the people to bear arms.

O is our enemy before us, he can have the ability to alter the legal landscape ahead of us for decades with the appointment of 1, 2 or possibly 3 new Supreme Court Justices and anything ruled in favor of our rights over the last few years can be reversed with a liberal left leaning USSC that will not only affect us, but our children and grandchildren and generations down the line.

While the right to bear arms is very important to me, I think people need to wake up for an entirely different reason. The status quo from both parties has been failing to do even an decent job. If people are fine with that and keep propping up failure by voting for status quo, they shouldn't complain when they get what they asked for. Am I saying everyone should pull a straight L ticket? Nope. I'm thinking that people need to wake up and do as much research as possible before voting (I know most here do plenty) but that won't happen anytime soon. There are republicans I could see myself voting for and there MIGHT be some democrats I could vote for. It will come down much more to past performance over campaign promises. I'm not going to trust you to do something if you've proven throughout your career that you've done something else. I don't care about the letter next to your name.

 

[churchmouse]

While the right to bear arms is very important to me, I think people need to wake up for an entirely different reason. The status quo from both parties has been failing to do even an decent job. If people are fine with that and keep propping up failure by voting for status quo, they shouldn't complain when they get what they asked for. Am I saying everyone should pull a straight L ticket? Nope. I'm thinking that people need to wake up and do as much research as possible before voting (I know most here do plenty) but that won't happen anytime soon. There are republicans I could see myself voting for and there MIGHT be some democrats I could vote for. It will come down much more to past performance over campaign promises. I'm not going to trust you to do something if you've proven throughout your career that you've done something else. I don't care about the letter next to your name.

Out of rep......+1

 

[hornadylnl]

The repubs are about as genuine with gun rights as dems are with minority rights. Both parties know they have those particular demographics locked up. They play lip service to them but that's about it.

 

[IndyBeerman]

The Democrats did not radically change the political landscape of The United States of America over a course of 8-12 years, it has been slow process that has been mapped out over the last 6 decades.

We will not get back to our conservative roots in 1 term, it will need to be executed in the same way and manner that has been thrown upon us.

We must start small and build upon it, and for this reason our 2nd amendment can and will hang in the balance, teetering on the edge of every voters individual vote.

For every person that supports our 2nd Amendment rights, this should be our line in the sand because once we loose that, we can and will loose other rights just as easy.

/thread

OP you want the usa to go to hell in the next 10 years when you are still old enough to do something or in the next 40 years when you are to old to do something. Either way d or r we are going to hell. Just depends on how fast we arrive so we can start over.

The cliff is fast approaching and there is no stopping us going over now.

Jedi, I have a screen name, it is IndyBeerman, if you failed to see that, then you failed to see the above that I quoted from my post.

It won't be 10 years if Obama is elected, it will be less than 1,460 days.

I'm 50, I plan on being around long enough to try and continue keeping people like BHO from getting into office, during that time I will continue to talk to our youth to be educated and not line up like lemmings.


My main concern is the 2nd, but as I said, Rome was not built in a day, and neither will the face of politics today be rebuilt that way.

Elect a little bit more conservative person each time (while you might not think so, Romney is way more conservative than O and has no socialist objective for us ), and change the mindset and thinking of the people, that way a Johnson or Paul style candidate won't seem "out on the edge" and unrealistic in 8 years.

If Obama was running for President in the 80's, he would have dropped out by the 3rd primary state, heck he might have not even got a foot in the door.