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    Quote Originally Posted by ghuns View Post
    Could they?

    Has any of the big three EVER made a small car that was subjectively better than a Corolla, Civic, Camry, or Accord?
    No. Never.

    Although the Camry and Accord are not really small cars anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoughMade View Post
    I think the real issue is more that American companies can make more profit selling larger vehicles than small ones. They could​ compete on smaller cars, but why?


    Profit margin on small cheaper cars is... smaller.
    And companies can often be short sided.
    Anyone remember the manufacturers in the 70s? "Americans don't want small cars"
    "Gas will always be cheap".
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    The spectrum of what is small certainly has shifted over time...as well as what it full sized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
    The spectrum of what is small certainly has shifted over time...as well as what it full sized.
    And yet with every shift, the big three's vehicles never quite measured up to Japanese competition.

    They have decided to stop trying to compete and simply focus on products that the Japanese don't make in large numbers.
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    I don't agree. Biases about American cars have survived much after American cars have gotten quite good. At this point, there are incremental differences between cars from almost all manufacturers....yet the biases live on.
    "Research just slows the funny down." - Dr.Midnight

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoughMade View Post
    I don't agree. Biases about American cars have survived much after American cars have gotten quite good. At this point, there are incremental differences between cars from almost all manufacturers....yet the biases live on.
    Cars are a huge investment. After getting a crappy product that failed to perform properly for a reasonable life never again will I buy another Ford, Chrysler or GM vehicle. I will now spend my hard earned money on Hondas and Toyotas that with ordinary maintenance will easily run for ten plus years and more than 200,000 miles.


    I hold grudges and there is no amount of money Chrysler can give me to compensate for the pain and suffering I endured driving from here to Montana and back in the middle of the summer with nonfunctioning air conditioning and an "uncomfortable" wife and whiny kid. F'em and stop giving them my tax dollars to support their failed business models.

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    I had a 1990 GMC S-15 Jimmy that had 188,000 miles when I sold it. Then, only because I needed a larger vehicle. Engine was never opened up, nothing more than standard maintenance. Same story on my current ride, a 2007 Silverado- about 160,000 miles.

    2012 Chrysler T&C- wrecked with 112,000
    2003 Chevrolet Venture- traded still running and still with cold, original AC charge at 130,000. I just wanted something newer.
    1997 Pontiac Grand Am- traded at 125,000 miles still running fine, wanted a truck.
    1996 Mercury Sable- true POS, but traded at 116,000 miles.
    1988 Pontiac 6000, traded at 122,000 miles- It was 1998 and I had just become a lawyer....10 year old car for a new lawyer? But that was a great car.
    1996 Saturn SW2- My son still drives it, about 90,000 miles.

    I only ever had one car with a mechanical issue that stopped it from operating for good and that was a 1984 Buick Century with 128,000 miles- main bearings went.

    My experience with domestic vehicles has been quite positive. With a very few exceptions, they have operated well for as long as I wanted to keep them. None have ever been rebuilt, engine or transmission, and none have even had the heads pulled.

    If you like foreign manufacturers, I get it and that makes sense because before recently, domestics (especially Chrysler) could be hit and miss. However, in the last 10 years, durability, reliability, etc.- from Kia to Honda to Cadillac, it's really a pick 'em.
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    I will never own another Volkswagon. Worst car ever. (Jetta)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoughMade View Post
    I don't agree. Biases about American cars have survived much after American cars have gotten quite good. At this point, there are incremental differences between cars from almost all manufacturers....yet the biases live on.
    I agree. BTW, I will never own another Toyota. Had one of those once....that truck was always messed up and then trying to find parts and work on them required a degree. My last 3 trucks Ford, Chevy, Ford have lasted 300,000+ miles and in fact the truck I drive now has 375,000 miles and is original engine and tranny....and the last 2 plowed snow since new.
    Last edited by CHCRandy; 6 Days Ago at 18:03.

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    Never have owned a foreign car, just never seemed to find a good one when I was car shopping. My sons drive Nissans and Hondas, but they live in big cities.
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