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    Grandmaster eldirector's Avatar

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    How mad should I be?

    A week or so ago, my elementary-aged kid brought home a permission slip for a 3rd party hearing screening at her school. I declined, and she returned the slip. Turns out, they administered the screening anyway, even after she reminded them that I had declined. Not just didn't give permission (eg: not returning the slip), but specifically declining (eg: they explicitly do not have permission).

    I am rather pissed, on several levels:
    - they went against my wishes
    - they performed a medical screening against my wishes
    - they used a 3rd party, who now has both a medical and education record for my child
    - the school now has this medical record in their file
    - the teacher actually told my kid to "stop fibbing" when she said we had declined, and forced her to be screened (I was annoyed with the above, but this sends me over the moon)

    I work with FERPA protected information almost every day. My wife worked with HIPPA protected information for more than a decade. We are both pretty well versed in those laws. I'm doing some research to see where exactly this falls. Not like I want to take this to the Supreme Court or anything, but I am rather annoyed.

    So, to the INGO collective... am I overreacting? Under-reacting? Just right?

    And just as I post, an update:
    Turns out the secretary didn't keep track of accept/decline. I have been assured the information would be removed by the school and the 3rd party. This impacted more than just my family.
    Ryan "ElDirector"


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    I don't know... and for the record I'm not a parent, so I don't have the same point of view that you do... but I remember getting hearing tests in school (grade school) and to the best of my recollection, there were no permission slips required. They just did it. I think it was the school nurse that administered them. I guess I'm not understanding why it would be a big deal. With that said, I know that personal information is much more easily disseminated and perhaps with nefarious purposes today than it was back when I was in grade school. Do you have specific information that you're concerned about, like SSN, etc.?

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    Grandmaster eldirector's Avatar

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    Reason #1 - I did not give permission. I don't need to supply a reason. They asked, I said "no". End of story.

    As for some of the possible reasons: IMHO, health screening isn't under a school's (especially a private schools) purview. I am perfectly capable of managing my family's health. This type of screening had already been performed by our family doctor. I see no purpose to the school having this information. I have no idea who the 3rd party is, or how they manage patient data. I am risk-adverse when it comes to medical data.

    And that is off the top of my head.
    Ryan "ElDirector"


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    I think you are right to be pissed. Granted, the damage this time is minor, but if they cant keep track of consent that is a HUGE issue. What if this were some type of vaccination or food event and your child had an allergy so you declined? And to tell your kid they are lying and to sit down and comply is beyond infuriating. How about you listen to the kid and verify with mom or dad? It shouldnt take more than 5 minutes to do that. Put her aside, make the call, and then put her back in line if she was wrong.

    I agree, I'd be pissed too. Yet another reason why we homeschool.

    And should the secretary lose her job? Maybe. You are sending out permission slips, so you have to assume SOMEBODY is going to say no. If you are asking permission, why wouldnt you keep track? If you arent keeping track, why even ask? What happens the next time when failure to keep track causes real physical harm? Do we wait for that actual harm to happen, or nip it in the bud before it becomes a real issue because we have a worker who cant do the job? I'm honestly on the fence about that.
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    also, where do we sign up to touch Frank's equipment?

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    Iíd be PISSED! What if it were a more invasive screening? Is the school going to again override your veto?

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    I would go see the principal and find out this happened. As far as the teacher saying your child was "fibbing", I would become unglued. I would request that my child be transferred to a different teacher if possible. If not, I would demand that in the presence of my child, my wife, the principal and me that the teacher apologize for this outrage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eldirector View Post
    Reason #1 - I did not give permission. I don't need to supply a reason. They asked, I said "no". End of story.

    As for some of the possible reasons: IMHO, health screening isn't under a school's (especially a private schools) purview. I am perfectly capable of managing my family's health. This type of screening had already been performed by our family doctor. I see no purpose to the school having this information. I have no idea who the 3rd party is, or how they manage patient data. I am risk-adverse when it comes to medical data.

    And that is off the top of my head.
    Fair enough. I especially get the part about you specifically denying permission and them ignoring that. That would piss me off too.

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    Grandmaster hoosierdoc's Avatar

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    In our school lack of returning permission slip is consent. While frustrating I donít know what can be done about it. Does this person need to be fired? Educated?

    edit: yeah, the teacher calling your kid a liar would piss me off. That teacher should have to write an apology note.
    Last edited by hoosierdoc; 3 Weeks Ago at 10:14.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoosierdoc View Post
    In our school pack of returning permission slip is consent. While frustrating I donít know what can be done about it. Does this person need to be fired? Educated?
    Guessing you meant "lack". But the OP DID return it and specifically declined to give his permission.

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    I called my kid's principal after he "inadvertently" kicked my kid out of school for moving out of district after the divorce. This went explicitly against their own rulebook.
    He told me to pound sand.
    The only thing that kept it out of court was that the superintendent of the district was a former teacher of mine, and he knew I wasn't kidding.
    The bottom line was that my kid needed extra help with tests, and the principal saw a way to cut a nickel from his budget at my kid's expense.
    I have almost no faith in the public education system.

    Beto is one of "Those" people that you hope to one day be able to throat punch.

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