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  1. #41
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    i think he means that you should comply with what they say, don't start fighting them yelling "i know my rights, you can't search my car" and then start swinging on the cop. A lot of good people get locked up that way...and now they can't have guns because they didn't realize that a cop can search your vehicle if he's towing it...(inventory search). If a cop asks and you wish to tell him no then that's fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vitamink View Post
    i think he means that you should comply with what they say, don't start fighting them yelling "i know my rights, you can't search my car" and then start swinging on the cop. A lot of good people get locked up that way...and now they can't have guns because they didn't realize that a cop can search your vehicle if he's towing it...(inventory search). If a cop asks and you wish to tell him no then that's fine.
    Actually the Indiana Supreme Court stated the opposite...
    The reason I am Peaceful, is because I like Violence and Mayhem a little to much...

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    What I was referring to are the roadside lawyers who argue case law on the side of the road. Traffic stops are dangerous. The less time that an officer has to spend in the middle of the road with cars speeding by, the better.

    If you disagree, take it to court. Arguing isn't going to change his mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JordanN View Post
    What I was referring to are the roadside lawyers who argue case law on the side of the road. Traffic stops are dangerous. The less time that an officer has to spend in the middle of the road with cars speeding by, the better.

    If you disagree, take it to court. Arguing isn't going to change his mind.
    So why should I give up my Rights for an Officers Safety?!

    If an Officer does not want to discuss Rights and Laws then he should have a better understanding of them than I. He should KNOW what he can and may do. He should also KNOW were his boundaries are. I will not yield one single inch of my Rights.

    Take it to court were his expenses are paid for by us...
    Take it to court because he may not KNOW the rules that he is attempting to enforce...
    Take it to court when I have better things to spend my hard earned money on...

    I'll take it to court when I get charged with an offense and I am arrested...
    The reason I am Peaceful, is because I like Violence and Mayhem a little to much...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayincville View Post
    You're kidding , right? Comply completely? Submit to a search for no reason?
    My motto is, deny, deny, deny. Ask for a lawyer. Never admit to anything. Go spend a night night in jail but never give any information that will cause you an extended stay.
    Yes, I have a gun. Yes, its legal and No, you can't search my vehicle. I know I don't have anything and I am not gonna stand there and watch someone tear the hell out of my vehicle to not find anything. Then proceed to not put it all back and clean up their mess. I will comply until they ask to do a search.
    I like things that go bang, pointy things and Jeeps......I'm Broke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by XDinmyXJ View Post
    Yes, I have a gun. Yes, its legal and No, you can't search my vehicle. I know I don't have anything and I am not gonna stand there and watch someone tear the hell out of my vehicle to not find anything. Then proceed to not put it all back and clean up their mess. I will comply until they ask to do a search.
    I will tell them they don't have permission to search but I would stop short of physicaly trying to block their ability to search. If they proceeded without my permission I would discreetly try to activate the camcorder on my cell phone and get a recording of me telling the police that they do not have my permission. Actually, now that I think about it, I am going to start recording as soon as I am pulled over from now on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delmar View Post
    I will tell them they don't have permission to search but I would stop short of physicaly [sic] trying to block their ability to search. If they proceeded without my permission I would discreetly try to activate the camcorder on my cell phone and get a recording of me telling the police that they do not have my permission. Actually, now that I think about it, I am going to start recording as soon as I am pulled over from now on.
    From the hearsay that I've been reading from the internet is that "most" LEO's, if they catch you recording them, will confiscate your recording device as "evidence" - or worse - arrest you for interfering with their investigation. In some states they've been known to arrest folks for illegal wiretap (I know, it's not supposed to apply in this case). NONE of the charges will stick and you will get your device back (eventually, after all of the cases are dismissed after a year or so) and no lawyer will take your case when you want to sue - good luck.
    Last edited by inav8r; 04-19-2010 at 16:01.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inav8r View Post
    From the hearsay that I've been reading from the internet is that "most" LEO's, if they catch you recording them, will confiscate your recording device as "evidence" - or worse - arrest you for interfering with their investigation. In some states they've been known to arrest folks for illegal wiretap (I know, it's not supposed to apply in this case). NONE of the charges will stick and you will get your device back (eventually, after all of the cases are dismissed after a year or so) and no lawyer will take your case when you want to sue - good luck.
    What makes you think no lawyer would take my case. I thought lots of lawyers were into protecting personal liberty

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    EDIT: I decided my story didn't fit with the OP, so I'm starting my own thread.

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    Recording a conversation with a police officer is not an offense. And neither is Carrying Openly. If they attempt to take your recorder, that is an unlawful seizure without reasonable or articulable suspicion and your constitutional rights have been violated, and furthermore, you've been robbed by an Armed Individual.
    I personally believe that every Open Carrier needs to have a recorder on them when they carry. If you see an officer approach you or your threat level goes orange, flick the switch. Most work well in a pocket anyway. If nothing comes of it, what have you wasted? A few calories and 3 minutes of battery life? But if something does come of it, look at all you gain by having an actual recording of you responding politely and complying while informing the officer or bad guy of your intentions and rights. More than a few people have been saved in a courtroom because of these. I don't know any who have regretted buying or using one.

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