9/11, inside job or not?

[Hoosier8]

should be but do we really know if it is or not? And like Armed East Sider said why is there only a single hole in the Pentagon and no visual damage from where the wings would have hit?

If you avoid the conspiracy sites, listen to the actual testimonies of the people there, and there were plenty, you can find pictures that show where the wings hit and where people saw the plane, not missile. The conspiracy sites only show you the pictures where the smoke covers that part of the building and avoids the witnesses that saw the plane.

 

[Hoosier8]

I think the thing that kills me for the conspiracy theorists is motive. What is the motive? To go to war? If that was the case and we went to war to capture WMD's that everyone was sure was there, then why didn't they just "produce" WMDs. I mean, if they are going to do something that really stretches credibility, like fake terrorists taking down the Trade Towers with planted explosives, remote controlled planes or teams of willing suicidal maniacs, then it would be a simple thing to "find" WMDs.

 

[NordicHeathenVinlander]

I think the thing that kills me for the conspiracy theorists is motive. What is the motive? To go to war? If that was the case and we went to war to capture WMD's that everyone was sure was there, then why didn't they just "produce" WMDs. I mean, if they are going to do something that really stretches credibility, like fake terrorists taking down the Trade Towers with planted explosives, remote controlled planes or teams of willing suicidal maniacs, then it would be a simple thing to "find" WMDs.

I dont think the terrorist aspects is fake. We have people in America who would love to see her wiped off the map, what is stopping us from believing those so alien to our lifestyle dont harbor such feelings.


Again, look at OBL, he's not a run of the muck, average guy. He's a Muslim Rockerfella, a Rothchild; He's the elite of the elite in his world.

Im sure there were WMD in Iraq, but I doubt they were there when we moved; and I dont think the lie could've been generated without too many honest people figuring it out.

Again, there is certain amount of questionable circumstances that dont add up.

There variable are there, and all I want to say, is fellas... It would do us a grave injustice to believe everything our government tells us.

 

[WWIIIDefender]

I think the thing that kills me for the conspiracy theorists is motive. What is the motive? To go to war? If that was the case and we went to war to capture WMD's that everyone was sure was there, then why didn't they just "produce" WMDs. I mean, if they are going to do something that really stretches credibility, like fake terrorists taking down the Trade Towers with planted explosives, remote controlled planes or teams of willing suicidal maniacs, then it would be a simple thing to "find" WMDs.

Motive? well lets break it down some. Who controls our county the banking cartel. That was plain as day after we saw the bailout. What does the banking cartel want. Power and control through global domination/government. Thier only problem they have are those pesky god loving, gun toting American middle class. How do you get rid of them, simple collapse their country from withing. You can't take over the world over night. So you take them to war with something like the war on terror. That will instill a forever war with no end points.

It will also allow you to establish a police state inside the United States. Look at the governments current actions. The president of the United States can now assasinate an american citizen without due process or just black bag them and ship them overseas. They are taking over our food, water. Not to mention healthcare and automotive. Small banks all over are being consumed by big banks. They are trying to tax us for breathing through cap n tax or just going through the EPA. Look who we turn to now. Swine flu=WHO/CDC War and now US laws aka arizona=UN

Up next will be pentions/guns and possibly yet another war. They are pitting us against each other through race and class wars. Why would you want us not united in such a crutial time in our nations history. Simple you don't want us united because your trying to destroy us. Do you honestly believe that the government doesn't want to destroy america from within.

Pretty soon the middle class will be taxed to death with no pentions or guns and if we are in WWIII who is going to care if the resisters are exterminated. How did we get here simple we needed another pearl harbor type event aka 911.

 

[Hornett]

Look, people, I am not a conspiracy nut.
A regular nut maybe...

This is not the first time planes have flown into buildings.

A corsair crashed into the Ramada in Indy in '87
1987 Ramada Inn Corsair crash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A B-25 bomber crashed into the empire state building in 1945
Plane That Crashed Into the Empire State Building

This year, some clown flew a private plane into an IRS building.
It made a huge fire.
Austin Plane Crash: Office Building Hit In Northwestern Austin, Texas (VIDEO)

And the Pentagon building. The beams were not even buckled. They repaired the Pentagon building, put new skin on it and are using those offices today.

None of these building fell down.
These are just from my own memory, I am sure there are more examples.
The point here is that this is the first time that a plane crashing into a building has cause it to (supposedly) fall down.

Find me one single other example of a plane crashing a building to the ground without a single column or wall still standing.
I don't think you can.

 

[ATOMonkey]

Look, people, I am not a conspiracy nut.
A regular nut maybe...

This is not the first time planes have flown into buildings.

A corsair crashed into the Ramada in Indy in '87
1987 Ramada Inn Corsair crash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A B-25 bomber crashed into the empire state building in 1945
Plane That Crashed Into the Empire State Building

This year, some clown flew a private plane into an IRS building.
It made a huge fire.
Austin Plane Crash: Office Building Hit In Northwestern Austin, Texas (VIDEO)

And the Pentagon building. The beams were not even buckled. They repaired the Pentagon building, put new skin on it and are using those offices today.

None of these building fell down.
These are just from my own memory, I am sure there are more examples.
The point here is that this is the first time that a plane crashing into a building has cause it to (supposedly) fall down.

Find me one single other example of a plane crashing a building to the ground without a single column or wall still standing.
I don't think you can.

Do you have the apples or the oranges? I need to know so I can bring the proper fruit to this debate.


N/m I'll just bring bananas and bacon. mmmmmmm almost lunch time!!

 

[dross]

Personally, I don't believe JFK died of a head wound. I can produce hundreds, even thousands of people who sustained head wounds and survived.

 

[jbombelli]

Look, people, I am not a conspiracy nut.
A regular nut maybe...

This is not the first time planes have flown into buildings.

A corsair crashed into the Ramada in Indy in '87
1987 Ramada Inn Corsair crash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A B-25 bomber crashed into the empire state building in 1945
Plane That Crashed Into the Empire State Building

This year, some clown flew a private plane into an IRS building.
It made a huge fire.
Austin Plane Crash: Office Building Hit In Northwestern Austin, Texas (VIDEO)

And the Pentagon building. The beams were not even buckled. They repaired the Pentagon building, put new skin on it and are using those offices today.

None of these building fell down.
These are just from my own memory, I am sure there are more examples.
The point here is that this is the first time that a plane crashing into a building has cause it to (supposedly) fall down.

Find me one single other example of a plane crashing a building to the ground without a single column or wall still standing.
I don't think you can.

Those planes you mention also weren't jetliners full of jet fuel, and weren't flying nearly as fast.

Those buildings were also constructed differently than the WTC.

Your comparison is horribly flawed.

 

[dross]

Those planes you mention also weren't jetliners full of jet fuel, and weren't flying nearly as fast.

Those buildings were also constructed differently than the WTC.

Your comparison is horribly flawed.

Is not.

 

[ATOMonkey]

Poop head.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

(mutters) Are you guys going to start slap-fighting now?

 

[Lucas156]

Motive would be having an excuse for a police state and to take away our rights "for our own safety". Didn't you hear Rahm emmanuel say, "never let a good crisis go to waste"?

 

[ATOMonkey]

(mutters) Are you guys going to start slap-fighting now?

I prefer to call it open handed fisticuffs.

If you ever get slapped in the ear, you won't think it's a sissy way to fight.

 

[dross]

Slaps can really, really sting.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

I hope I'm suitably chastened by your response...

 

[ATOMonkey]

I do too. I'd hate to have to chasten you around some more.

 

[Tactical Dave]

These days college is overrated......

I have known a lot of really smart peole that did not go to college for a degree.....

Asking if you went to college is like saying...

50% of educated people are for it
50% of uneducated people are against it

I really don't feel that you need a degree to make an informed choice or decision......

 

[ATOMonkey]

I've been telling people that I'll be pushing my kids towards a technical certification just as much as college.

Actually being good at a skilled trade is becoming more rare by the second.

An undergrad degree in something useful, like engineering, accounting, computer science, etc would also be acceptable to me.

 

[Tactical Dave]

I've been telling people that I'll be pushing my kids towards a technical certification just as much as college.

Actually being good at a skilled trade is becoming more rare by the second.

An undergrad degree in something useful, like engineering, accounting, computer science, etc would also be acceptable to me.

I do feel that even an A.S. helps when it comes to climbing the ladder but don't feel it makes you any smarter... I have forgotten most of the stuff I learned in college and high school.......

The degree helps get you off the "floor" and thats about it really.

 

[OneBadV8]

Yep, what Tactical Dave said, and that's one expensive floor.


but back on topic... I heard Indy_Guy_77 planned the whole thing