Feds Admit to Infecting Innocents with STDs

[jbombelli]

I doubt it.

It is tied into this current administration's "America is evil" philosophy & the story only helps to weaken our relations with the people in that region, a region that Hugo Chavez is attempting to convert/subvert to socialistic societies, which I believe is a goal shared by many people in our own current administration.

So your contention is we made this up specifically to make people around the world hate us more?


You'll have to forgive me if I flat don't believe that.

 

[RichardR]

So your contention is we made this up specifically to make people around the world hate us more?


You'll have to forgive me if I flat don't believe that.

I think you are confusing "she made up" with "we made up".

Due to the fact that gonorrhea and syphilis were extremely prevalent STD's prior to the wide availability of penicillin I find it extremely unlikely that medical researchers in the 1940's needed to infect uninfected people in order to study the diseases.

I find it is much more likely that she (the so called researcher) purposely manipulated & purposely misreported the facts in order to promote some sort of leftist political propaganda &/or in an act of some sort of personal self-promotion in either the academic or political arena.

 

[jbombelli]

I think you are confusing "she made up" with "we made up".

Due to the fact that gonorrhea and syphilis were extremely prevalent STD's prior to the wide availability of penicillin I find it extremely unlikely that medical researchers in the 1940's needed to infect uninfected people in order to study the diseases.

I find it is much more likely that she (the so called researcher) purposely manipulated & purposely misreported the facts in order to promote some sort of leftist political propaganda &/or in an act of some sort of personal self-promotion in either the academic or political arena.

I use the term "we" in the general sense.

So she "misrepresented" the part about Hillary Clinton and Kathleen Sebelius apologizing for it to the nation of Guatemala? And made up the actual quote? I would copy/paste it here, but that's against the new rules.

I guess some people will just never believe their government could do such unethical, evil things. They are far too blinded by partisan hatred and a false sense of patriotism to ever believe such a thing.

 

[RichardR]

I use the term "we" in the general sense.

So she "misrepresented" the part about Hillary Clinton and Kathleen Sebelius apologizing for it to the nation of Guatemala? And made up the actual quote?

I guess some people will just never believe their government could do such unethical, evil things. They are far too blinded by partisan hatred and a false sense of patriotism to ever believe such a thing.

1.) It is highly unlikely that medical researchers would have needed to infect uninfected people with common STD's in a time in history when penicillin was not yet widely available, there would have already been millions of infected people in South America to study.

2.) It is much more likely that the researcher, who is a far-left activist & self-described "community organizer" who has made these claims has something other than "the truth" as her agenda.

3.) Our current administration took no time to thoroughly investigate the researchers claims prior to issuing a formal apology, more than likely because her unconfirmed claims are helpful to their over-arching political philosophy.

The above analysis of the situation are my own thoughts on this topic & it's ok if you do not agree with them, however I would appreciate if you would refrain from personal attacks & name calling simply because I dared to share them.

 

[LEaSH]

Tuskeegee richard. Tuskeegee.

It totally possible and likely.

What is so unbelievable about 'fessing up to the truth?

 

[Lex Concord]

I use the term "we" in the general sense.

So she "misrepresented" the part about Hillary Clinton and Kathleen Sebelius apologizing for it to the nation of Guatemala? And made up the actual quote? I would copy/paste it here, but that's against the new rules.

I guess some people will just never believe their government could do such unethical, evil things. They are far too blinded by partisan hatred and a false sense of patriotism to ever believe such a thing.

Well, it did *ahem* "allegedly" happen during a Dem administration. In fact, in the last quarter of nearly 20 straight years of Dems (Roosevelt and Truman only) as Pres.

I'm sure if the all-knowing all-seeing Maha-Rushie had picked this up and spun it as proof that Dems are evil there wouldn't be a wisp of concern regarding its veracity.

Of course, I can only stand to listen to the guy for more than a few minutes on rare occasions now. Any chance he cast this as potentially made up to bolster America haters today? I don't see it on his website...

Anyway, this allegation is pretty tame compared to some of the things the U.S. Government is known to have done to citizens and non-citizens in the past, and probably still is.

My favorite part of the article, though, is when it discusses the CIA overthrow of the democratically-elected president of Guatemala in 1954 to support a U.S.-based fruit company with a land dispute down there.

Of course, this is surely fake, just like Mosaddegh in '53

 

[RichardR]

Tuskeegee richard. Tuskeegee.

It totally possible and likely.

What is so unbelievable about 'fessing up to the truth?

In the Tuskeegee experiment the medical researchers didn't infect uninfected people, they just studied them.

It wasn't quite as nefarious as those "on the left" would have everyone believe.

 

[jbombelli]

1.) It is highly unlikely that medical researchers would have needed to infect uninfected people with common STD's in a time in history when penicillin was not yet widely available, there would have already been millions of infected people in South America to study.

2.) It is much more likely that the researcher, who is a far-left activist & self-described "community organizer" who has made these claims has something other than "the truth" as her agenda.

3.) Our current administration took no time to thoroughly investigate the researchers claims prior to issuing a formal apology, more than likely because her unconfirmed claims are helpful to their over-arching political philosophy.

The above analysis of the situation are my own thoughts on this topic & it's ok if you do not agree with them, however I would appreciate if you would refrain from personal attacks & name calling simply because I dared to share them.

When they want to study the progression of some disease in animals, do you think they just scour the countryside in order to find animals that already have whatever specific disease they're studying? Or do they infect them with it? The correct answer is... They infect them with it.

You think they wouldn't do the same with people? You really think they haven't?

Open your eyes to the nature of those in power over you. Ask yourself what they've been doing lately, and calling "state secrets."

 

[Lex Concord]

In the Tuskeegee experiment the medical researchers didn't infect uninfected people, they just studied them.

It wasn't quite as nefarious as those "on the left" would have everyone believe.

So, if doctors discovered you had testicular cancer, told you they were treating you for "bad blood" that you colloquially thought referred to your concern, didn't treat you, and simply studied the disease's natural progression without treatment, even after a treatment of proven efficacy became available while they studied you, you wouldn't have a problem with that?

Really?

 

[Praetorian13]

Except when the US Gov did its thing back in the late 40s, there were no cell phone cameras around.

Like when the government released bacteria into new York city to see what it's effects were on people. This is probably still happening in the us and we have no idea.

 

[Bunnykid68]

I believe both sides. Experiments were done to sheople and the government is apologizing to make us free people look bad in the eyes of the world. Same ole same ole.

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

The US spread a now suspected carcinogen from air planes to study how the particle moved through the environment. The molecule was roughly the same size as biological and chemical agents.

In Indiana.

Ft. Wayne, IN.

1950s.

Zinc Cadmium Sulfide.

Those who were grammar-school aged children during these experiments are now suffering from a higher incidence of certain cancers.

That Wiki-leaks link posted earlier is rather informative. But, like any of the wiki-anything, further research MUST be done to corroborate with known, trusted, reputable sources.

-J-

 

[308jake]

I was the shooter in the grassy knoll.

 

[Lucas156]

sounds like something Hitler would do and no I don't think Im exaggerating.

 

[RichardR]

sounds like something Hitler would do and no I don't think Im exaggerating.

It sounds more like BS propaganda to me.

Most pharmaceutical trials involve both a "control group" and an "experimental group" if anyone doesn't know the difference between the two groups .... the control group is given a placebo & the experimental group is given the experimental drug, in this case the experimental drug was penicillin.

Our government &/or the researchers are not evil or somehow wrong because they didn't treat the control groups gonorrhea while they were doing research & testing of a what was in the 1940's still an experimental drug..

And thanks to that testing, it was determined that penicillin was safe & effective & after wards everyone on the planet was then able to get their gonorrhea & syphilis and a whole host of other bacteriological illnesses treated at their local doctors office with either a simple shot or a prescription of pills.

Guatemala & every other nation on this planet should be thanking us for inventing penicillin & for all of the millions of lives it has saved around the globe over the last 60 years, but instead our government is apologizing for using control groups in 60 year old clinical studies?

I can't believe some of you actually believe that our researchers went around infecting uninfected people ...

 

[HandK]

They thought they said Free LTD's so they signed up!!

 

[Blue Tile Spook]

Our government &/or the researchers are not evil or somehow wrong because they didn't treat the control groups gonorrhea while they were doing research & testing of a what was in the 1940's still an experimental drug..

If there is no informed consent, yes, it is illegal. And unethical. Someone enlisted in a trial group signs informed consent saying that they know they can be part of the control group, or that the study can be stopped at any time without giving reason.

 

[RichardR]

If there is no informed consent, yes, it is illegal. And unethical. Someone enlisted in a trial group signs informed consent saying that they know they can be part of the control group, or that the study can be stopped at any time without giving reason.

The people in this particular case were patients in a mental institution, their mental illness was more than likely caused by syphilis (a condition known as general paresis of the insane or more commonly today as neurosyphilis) & thus it was more than likely their doctors who gave consent.

That is neither illegal or unethical.

 

[SavageEagle]

I like your posts Kirk.

But drawing any kind of parrallel between an irresponsible cop that will be less than served any form of justice, and a government that treated (or treats) people in a vile and inhumane manner are too far spread apart on the spectrum of tyranny.
No doubt about it conspiracy has existed and continues to exist in those entrusted to do right by people that keep their egos afloat.

But there is a lot human garbage between the two.
If it makes anyone feel any better, Bisard is going through hell - maybe he should - not for me to say. The scientists and government officials that did the STD crap most likely slept well enough.

I would just like to point out that a cover-up is a cover up. It doesn't matter if it happens at an international level or a good-ole-boy ring at the local 7-11. The winners write history. Ignorant believe it.

The problem is that no matter what level the cover-up happens, once exposed, start wondering what else that person covered up. Start wondering what those above THEM have covered up. Money talks.

 

[mrjarrell]

Guatemala & every other nation on this planet should be thanking us for inventing penicillin & for all of the millions of lives it has saved around the globe over the last 60 years, but instead our government is apologizing for using control groups in 60 year old clinical studies?

I can't believe some of you actually believe that our researchers went around infecting uninfected people ...

Umm...penicillin wasn't invented in the US. It was discovered by a British scientist. As for experimenting on people, the US has a long history of doing just that, which you'd know if you bothered to get beyond your nationalism and actually look at the knowledge that's out there.