Man punches Indy TSA screener in the chest

[Joe Williams]

I agree the military wouldn't be the ones shooting people on sight or rounding people up for internment camps, at least not the military I served in. Most of the Marines I served with are moderate to far right conservatives and would never fire on Americans.

But, with that being said, I think many of us were surprised at the number of National Guardmen (U.S. Army for all intents and purposes) who took part in rounding up firearms and arresting citizens who refused to leave their property (or who refused to surrender their firearms) in NOLA.

I was also shocked/pissed at the number of LEO's who willingly went to NOLA to enforce unconstitutional orders given by the state government.

So who knows... perhaps things have changed enough to where a good number of those in our military would fire on citizens or round them up... God only knows they should have known better in NOLA.

I'm not sure the citizens or the military had time to process the possibility of what happened in NOLA. The citizens couldn't believe the military would attack American citizens in such a fashion and as such didn't kill them as they should have. The military didn't have time to consider the fact they were betraying their oaths, and just "followed orders," sowing the seeds of distrust. Hopefully, both groups would respond better in the future now that we know the American military may well be used against us and may well be given unlawful orders.

 

[mrjarrell]

Here is something I find interesting to consider. If...say...the feds declared some type of wacky curfew against citizens of the U.S. and order an entity to shoot citizens on sight if they are caught outside of their homes, who might that entity be? The reason I bring this up is we discuss this type of thing at work. I do not believe our military would follow an order of that type, but I can absolutely see an "entity" like the TSA doing the deed (well, at least attempting). These thugs are a way bigger threat to national security than any bunch of foreign terrorists could ever dream of being, and are laughing their asses off while violating Americans. I do believe their day will come, and like Duncan, I hope to have front row seats at the Colliseum as the citizens give the thumbs down.

If they were to use the military, we have been assured (here on INGO) in the last week that the military will in fact follow the orders they are given. It's what they are trained to do, without consideration, we were told. If that's the view of INGO members who are former military then I have little doubt that the military will do as they are ordered. Sad to say.

 

[CarmelHP]

If they were to use the military, we have been assured (here on INGO) in the last week that the military will in fact follow the orders they are given. It's what they are trained to do, without consideration, we were told. If that's the view of INGO members who are former military then I have little doubt that the military will do as they are ordered. Sad to say.

You only believe this as you can't or won't differentiate between a facially valid order, to attack a foreign military force opposing your military operations; and a facially invalid order, to shoot or disarm American civilians that are in their own homes or carrying out otherwise peaceful activities. If you believe, as in the scenario you gave, that individual soldiers should assess the potential geo-political consequences of otherwise lawful orders then that is insane.

 

[combat45acp]

Unfortunately foreign troops have been training on our soil for years for this very reason.

 

[TRWXXA]

Here is something I find interesting to consider. If...say...the feds declared some type of wacky curfew against citizens of the U.S. and order an entity to shoot citizens on sight if they are caught outside of their homes, who might that entity be? The reason I bring this up is we discuss this type of thing at work. I do not believe our military would follow an order of that type, but I can absolutely see an "entity" like the TSA doing the deed (well, at least attempting). These thugs are a way bigger threat to national security than any bunch of foreign terrorists could ever dream of being, and are laughing their asses off while violating Americans. I do believe their day will come, and like Duncan, I hope to have front row seats at the Colliseum as the citizens give the thumbs down.

Hmmm... Interesting.

The TSA is the federal govenment's way around posse comitatus.

I would like to believe you should be fitted for some tinfoil headgear, but I truly think you have a valid theory.

 

[littletommy]

Hmmm... Interesting.

The TSA is the federal govenment's way around posse comitatus.

I would like to believe you should be fitted for some tinfoil headgear, but I truly think you have a valid theory.

Thank you. And, I have a nice tin foil hat that is well worn.

 

[jeremy]

The best part of the story was the quote from the TSA spokesman.

"Our people are on the front line protecting the nation from terrorism."

If they are the Frontline of Terrorism, WTF did I go to Iraq and Afghan, and several other turd world countries for.

Another thought, do they get hazard pay?!

And which side of the Frontline do they see themselves on?!

 

[infidel]

Falcon kick would have been more fitting.

 

[jeremy]

If they were to use the military, we have been assured (here on INGO) in the last week that the military will in fact follow the orders they are given. It's what they are trained to do, without consideration, we were told. If that's the view of INGO members who are former military then I have little doubt that the military will do as they are ordered. Sad to say.

WOW...

Now that is a stretch...

 

[mrjarrell]

WOW...

Now that is a stretch...

Not my stretch, Jeremy. The folks in the other thread were adamant that soldiers were to follow orders and let it all be sorted out in the aftermath. I'd like to believe it wasn't true, but these ex-military members were quite convinced that that was the way things should roll.

 

[tom1025]

Just think of all of this could have been avoided if they would stuck with racial profiling.

 

[PatriotPride]

This upsets me so much that I discussed this with my fiancee tonight. We have made the decision that we are not going to fly for our honeymoon, and we will instead drive 14 hours. I told her that if they want to violate me then I MAY refrain from putting the TSA nazi in the hospital. I also told her if they touch her in a manner that's inappropriate, there will be a "scene" to put it politely.

Abuse of loved ones is something I cannot and will not abide.

 

[MilitaryArms]

Not my stretch, Jeremy. The folks in the other thread were adamant that soldiers were to follow orders and let it all be sorted out in the aftermath. I'd like to believe it wasn't true, but these ex-military members were quite convinced that that was the way things should roll.

You do realize I hope that they were talking about being given orders while on deployment in a war zone. They were discussing troops given a lawful order to attack another uniformed military force which was deploying in direct opposition to their mission.

If you don't see how that's different from being given orders to shoot American civilians on American soil, then trying to have a rational discussion with you is probably not possible.

 

[MilitaryArms]

Just think of all of this could have been avoided if they would stuck with racial profiling.

Bigot.

 

[Hemingway]

I find it interesting that he was charged locally. Are not TSA people considered federal? Striking a federal officer is a federal offense, is it not? I know they aren't really federal leo's in the true sense but any attack on a postal worker is a federal offense, as I recall.

Something seems missing from the story??? Seems like if they really had something good on him, they'd charge him with the most they can. This seems sorta weak.

 

[Booya]

Really?

"Jim Fotenos, spokesman for the Transportation Security Agency, said in an airport police report, "Our transportation security officers work on the front lines to protect the nation from a terrorist attack and physical violence against them is shameful. TSA will work with local authorities to see that appropriate action is taken."".

And all this time I had a completely different idea of what the "front lines" looked like. I'll be sure to call my guys and let them know the front lines are here in the airports roughing up 74 year old grandmothers...etc.

Mr. Fotenos couldn't be more off base if he tried. I can't wait to fly on Gov't orders and throw a fit at one of these stations.

 

[tom1025]

Bigot.

LOL......

 

[TRWXXA]

Just think of all of this could have been avoided if they would stuck with racial profiling.

Just a quick correction:

It's not "racial profiling" -- there's no such thing. It's just "profiling". A profile is "a formal summary or analysis of data representing distinctive features or characteristics". Analysis of just one single data point (eg. race) does not constitute a profile.

"Racial profiling" is a term invented by criminal-loving liberals to keep law enforcement from using profiling as a means of finding criminals.

 

[maxmayhem]

Soon we will see this headline:

Meanwhile, a terrorist entered our border from Mexico posing as an illegal alien. He sued because he was racially profiled while entering a county builiding getting his food stamps and Medicaid.

 

[mrjarrell]

You do realize I hope that they were talking about being given orders while on deployment in a war zone. They were discussing troops given a lawful order to attack another uniformed military force which was deploying in direct opposition to their mission.

If you don't see how that's different from being given orders to shoot American civilians on American soil, then trying to have a rational discussion with you is probably not possible.

So, if the government were to declare martial law and order out the troops there'd be a difference? If there were a general (subject not to be discussed on INGO) and the government called out troops they'd be in a combat zone. As we saw in New Orleans, troops are quite willing to follow orders as given. Either soldiers follow the orders of their superior officers or they have the choice to not follow them. Which is it?