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[snowman46919]

OK... I've read till page 7 of these posts(I am sure I should have read it all 1st)
Seriously?
As a LEO myself you must remember this... I treat all people with respect, but also treat everyone as though they are armed (if not you should be!).
I would never ever ask another armed citizen to disarm themselves.

BUT when you reach for you registration and I see a gun that I wasn't told about... that makes for a very tense situation ...now that doesn't mean that you will have my gun screwed in your ear...but it will change that situation.
Let me again say that I would never ever disarm a licensed citezen!
In a "perfect world" and on a "perfect traffic stop" an armed citezen would, without removing there hands from the stearing wheel, just say "sir I am a have a CCW permit and I am armed." My reaction would not be to rip you out of your car and dissarm you! I would treat the stop in the same way as any others, with one exception... when I ask for your license and registration I would also ask for your CCW permit. That's IT!
I know there are bad apples and the "officer safety" is a poor excuse for poor preformance, but don't lump me or my fellow officers in with them please...
just my
I will probably get crucified for this... let's see

The only thing I see as a crucifiable offense is having a job that requires you to know and uphold the law yet you call it a ccw permit when it is a license to carry otherwise +1 and sorry I missed you on my last trip to Gander in Fort wayne.

 

[curraheeguns]

Tongue piercing OWI was an actual Indiana Supreme Court case back in '05. Guy was the defendant's name; she was a waitress stopped downtown.

Converted file rts

Seems I heard of that case Kirk....

 

[yotewacker]

OK... I've read till page 7 of these posts(I am sure I should have read it all 1st)
Seriously?
As a LEO myself you must remember this... I treat all people with respect, but also treat everyone as though they are armed (if not you should be!).
I would never ever ask another armed citizen to disarm themselves.

BUT when you reach for you registration and I see a gun that I wasn't told about... that makes for a very tense situation ...now that doesn't mean that you will have my gun screwed in your ear...but it will change that situation.
Let me again say that I would never ever disarm a licensed citezen!
In a "perfect world" and on a "perfect traffic stop" an armed citezen would, without removing there hands from the stearing wheel, just say "sir I am a have a CCW permit and I am armed." My reaction would not be to rip you out of your car and dissarm you! I would treat the stop in the same way as any others, with one exception... when I ask for your license and registration I would also ask for your CCW permit. That's IT!
I know there are bad apples and the "officer safety" is a poor excuse for poor preformance, but don't lump me or my fellow officers in with them please...
just my
I will probably get crucified for this... let's see

+

Great post. What I was about to say myself. It gets very tense very fast, when I have someone stopped and see a gun peeking out at me and the subject never volunteered the information.

 

[Glock22c]

The only thing I see as a crucifiable offense is having a job that requires you to know and uphold the law yet you call it a ccw permit when it is a license to carry otherwise +1 and sorry I missed you on my last trip to Gander in Fort wayne.

hmmm Guess I need to watch my verbage...thanks for the corrections guys! also I wish that Muzzle controll wasnt something lost with the complaiceny that so often gets guys hurt on the job...

 

[snowman46919]

hmmm Guess I need to watch my verbage...thanks for the corrections guys! also I wish that Muzzle controll wasnt something lost with the complaiceny that so often gets guys hurt on the job...

Sorry wasn't trying to be a nazi about it or mean an ill intent in what I said it was just a friendly reminder. Although I feel a bit put out that I went and snapped a picture of my license and looked up the IC code for nothing.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Seems I heard of that case Kirk..

This is what happens when you read only a couple of the back posts.

So much for being "Mr. Helpful".

 

[GunsNstuff]

I've had cops ask to see the permit after I told them I am armed with a gun and a permit, I've had cops that didn't even want to see the permit after I told them I am armed and offered them the permit, then I have had 1 cop get me out on the side of the road with my hands on top of my head while he took my pocket pistol chambered in 22 short, removed the magazine and removed the bullets from the mag.

I like the ones that looked at the permit or figured that since I told them I was armed and that I have a permit, I must be legal or else I would not have just told them I was legally armed. As long as the officer is respectful and treats me like a human being, I'm cool with him or her.

 

[Stainer]

I like the ones that looked at the permit or figured that since I told them I was armed and that I have a permit, I must be legal or else I would not have just told them I was legally armed. As long as the officer is respectful and treats me like a human being, I'm cool with him or her.

Not sure how other departments work but, I do not need your permit to check and see if you have a valid permit. Our communications can do it with your info from your drivers license. As long as I see you have it and it has your name on it, that is usually all I'm concerned with. I can check the validity of it, without it.

 

[Yukon227]

I generally keep my hands on the steering wheel as an officer approaches, the first thing I do is tell the officer I have a gun on me or in the car. For my safety and his. I'm legal, I'm not wanted, so I sped or ran a stop sign...but I don't want a safety issue because an officer goes in to the emergency freak out procedure due to me not saying "hey, before we go any further, I want you to know I have a pistol and a license". On one occasion I was helping a stranded motorist and a state trooper stopped to help also...he came back to my truck to talk and check my license (not sure why) I had been training my dog frequently and had a starter pistol in the console. This made him quite nervous. After a few tense moments he holstered his weapon and I went home. From that day on I make sure to tell the officer EVERYTHING.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I generally keep my hands on the steering wheel as an officer approaches, the first thing I do is tell the officer I have a gun on me or in the car. For my safety and his. I'm legal, I'm not wanted, so I sped or ran a stop sign...but I don't want a safety issue because an officer goes in to the emergency freak out procedure due to me not saying "hey, before we go any further, I want you to know I have a pistol and a license". On one occasion I was helping a stranded motorist and a state trooper stopped to help also...he came back to my truck to talk and check my license (not sure why) I had been training my dog frequently and had a starter pistol in the console. This made him quite nervous. After a few tense moments he holstered his weapon and I went home. From that day on I make sure to tell the officer EVERYTHING.

We all have reasons for the things we do. I've not ever had a LEO put a hand on his weapon at a traffic stop...nor on mine. I'd like to keep it that way. My safety is of no more nor less importance than the LEO's. Concealed means concealed. If he asks, I'll answer truthfully. I'll not volunteer nor display the info, however, because my gun is safer for all concerned while it remains loaded and in my holster.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[finity]

For my safety and his.

So how is you telling him you are armed in any way related to his safety? If your are a law-abiding citizen (except for the traffic stop) then he probably has nothing to worry about from your gun.

Unless, you AREN'T law-abiding & have planned on murdering the cop & you just wanted to be a sport & give him a running start?

After a few tense moments he holstered his weapon and I went home. From that day on I make sure to tell the officer EVERYTHING.

You mean he actually drew down on you for having a starter pistol? were you outside the truck when he did that?

That cop was a douche & should probably look into another "SAFER" line of work.

 

[Yukon227]

It wasn't exactly a stop, I was pulled over helping a lady and her kids who had a flat. He stopped to help and deter traffic. I had gotten back in my truck and was retrieving the registration when he saw the starter pistol. Im guessing he thought it was a snub nose .38. There were a few tense moments. His gun was drawn. I made no effort to reach for the starter pistol nor was my hand near it. Needless to say I was a little unnerved. I slowly exited my truck and calmly explained what it was. He apologized and sent me on my way. I tell an officer if I have a gun on me or in the vehicle ever since that day. I have a close friend who is a state trooper and we've discussed this issue a few times and he says for the most part if you tell an officer you are armed they appreciate it so if they see it, its not a surprise and causes some Farva to get itchy.

 

[SirRealism]

I have a close friend who is a state trooper and we've discussed this issue a few times and he says for the most part if you tell an officer you are armed they appreciate it so if they see it, its not a surprise and causes some Farva to get itchy.

We all have to make our decisions based on our experiences. I've heard of enough instances here and elsewhere to convince me it's best not to say a thing unless: 1) it's in the glove box (which is rare) and I need to reach in there for registration; or 2) I have to step out while carrying.

 

[snowman46919]

We all have to make our decisions based on our experiences. I've heard of enough instances here and elsewhere to convince me it's best not to say a thing unless: 1) it's in the glove box (which is rare) and I need to reach in there for registration; or 2) I have to step out while carrying.

get a visor organizer thats where I keep my registration and insurance, that way I don't have to worry about the BUG in the glovebox.

 

[SirRealism]

get a visor organizer thats where I keep my registration and insurance, that way I don't have to worry about the BUG in the glovebox.

That's a good idea... I keep saying I'm going to do the same, but somehow it keeps slipping my memory whenever I'm at Target. (It sucks getting old.)

 

[FCSD 23-18]

I will disarm someone on a case by case basis, normally I will ask where the firearm is located and if it is on their person I will just have them keep their hands on the wheel. If the gun is located in the vehicle such as a glove box or center console I will ask them to exit the vehicle or to come sit in my front seat. Honestly though if I feel the slightest bit uncomfortable I will take possession of the firearm until the stop is complete, then I will have them pop their trunk and place the firearm in the trunk and close it completely taking it out of play. I understand that many will feel that this is the wrong action to take but I would rather error on the side of caution.

 

[hbarnett1]

Why do they keep unloading peoples guns even though they find out you are legal.I get sick of hearing about that happening.....

 

[hbarnett1]

So how is you telling him you are armed in any way related to his safety? If your are a law-abiding citizen (except for the traffic stop) then he probably has nothing to worry about from your gun.

Unless, you AREN'T law-abiding & have planned on murdering the cop & you just wanted to be a sport & give him a running start?









You mean he actually drew down on you for having a starter pistol? were you outside the truck when he did that?

That cop was a douche & should probably look into another "SAFER" line of work.

LEO's need to quit making up their own rules,and follow the laws that concern legal gun owners property,and rights!!!!!

 

[SSGSAD]

The law (or the lack of any explicit language stating one has to surrender their weapon in absence of a reason), many cite "officer safety" as reason enough, but one should be able to articulate why that is an issue to confiscate, even temporarily, a firearm. Most cite surrendering a weapon, at the direction of law enforcement, as a "lawful order," well, just b/c it come from the mouth of an officer doesnt make it a lawful order.

If I'm at a traffic stop, and for whatever reason I ask for a person to surrender a weapon, and I'm not able to articulate why I made the request, I will call for backup and wait until the numbers are in my favor before carrying out the business of the stop.

REP added !!!!!

 

[serpicostraight]

I will disarm someone on a case by case basis, normally I will ask where the firearm is located and if it is on their person I will just have them keep their hands on the wheel. If the gun is located in the vehicle such as a glove box or center console I will ask them to exit the vehicle or to come sit in my front seat. Honestly though if I feel the slightest bit uncomfortable I will take possession of the firearm until the stop is complete, then I will have them pop their trunk and place the firearm in the trunk and close it completely taking it out of play. I understand that many will feel that this is the wrong action to take but I would rather error on the side of caution.

so you are saying you are that scared that you think everyone with a weapon is out to get you? do you feel the same way around other cops? they all have weapons as well.