Measles making an alarming comeback

[rambone]

This article provided no proof that this increase is because of people not vaccinating.

This is how they make money. Based on deceit and disinformation. Big Pharma is scared of losing more customers. They are shaming them into coming back for some magic wellness shots. The dupes and shills have been out en masse.

Riddle me this! Why would I risk brain damage, IQ reduction, seizures, nervous system disorders -- and God knows what else -- in order to avoid a rash that 99.7% people live through?

 

[steveh_131]

The measles vaccine was developed in the U.S. in 1963. Introduced a bit later in England.

See the gigantic drop right around the mid 60's? No? Neither do I.

 

[eldirector]

Cool! I can find pretty pictures, too.

 

[steveh_131]

Cool! I can find pretty pictures, too.

The picture sure looks different when you cut out 44 years of data, doesn't it.

The point is that measles was on a declining trend for the past century, so to claim that vaccines are the sole reason for an increase or decrease is absurd.

I'm not completely anti-vaccine. I like to compare the odds. On a bad year, you have a 150/~300,000,000 chance of getting measles and a 0.3% chance of dying from it even if you get it. That comes out to a 0.00000015% chance of dying from measles, if I'm calculating this correctly. Lottery tickets, anyone?

 

[eldirector]

I'm fairly certain no one has claimed that vaccines are the sole reason for the decline of measles mortality. Well, maybe the one doctor who was quoted in the OP's article. Sanitation and other advances in medical care are likely contributors as well.

I assume the real difference in the graphs are different populations and different measurements. Just goes to show that we can find data and charts to support about any opinion.

 

[steveh_131]

I'm fairly certain no one has claimed that vaccines are the sole reason for the decline of measles mortality. Well, maybe the one doctor who was quoted in the OP's article.

Both the OP and the article made the assertion that the increase is due to fears over vaccinations.

They have no proof to support this claim, and this is the claim that I am disputing. There are infinite numbers of variables that affect these numbers and the chart I provided shows what a miniscule effect the vaccine has had historically.

 

[rambone]

Both the OP and the article made the assertion that the increase is due to fears over vaccinations.

The Pharma industry revolves around using correlation instead of causation as scientific evidence.

 

[MTC]

Not necessarily for or against, either. Everyone should research and weigh the odds for themselves.
Maybe it's just a matter of a wholesome, organic diet ...

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[redneckmedic]

I support preventive medicine (including diet and vaccinations) with that said, I wouldn't even distribute swine flu vaccinations at the FD when it came around, nor did I get one.... its an odd thing too... never got the H1N1.

 

[eldirector]

Both the OP and the article made the assertion that the increase is due to fears over vaccinations.

They have no proof to support this claim, and this is the claim that I am disputing. There are infinite numbers of variables that affect these numbers and the chart I provided [STRIKE]shows [/STRIKE] is one example of what a miniscule effect the vaccine has had historically.

I do agree - the original article made some poorly founded claims, and at least one that has evidence AGAINST it. For one, the current MMR vaccination rate has hovered right around 90% (in the US) for at least a decade (CDC - Testing and Monitoring - Vaccine Safety). Reported Measles cases (in the US) have been fairly consistent over the same time-frame (CDC - Measles: Statistics and Surveillance)

That said:
CDC - Measles: Outbreaks

During 2008, more measles cases were reported than in any other year since 1997. More than 90% of those infected had not been vaccinated, or their vaccination status was unknown.

So, it APPEARS that while you may have a 1:2,000,000 chance of contracting the disease strictly "by the numbers" (using your numbers above), there may be a HUGE skew if you look at the un-vaccinated crowd.

Analogy:
Odds of getting struck by lightning in a given year = approx. 1 in 1,000,000
Odds of getting stuck by lightning in Indiana are 6 times LESS likely than in Florida (Lightning Fatalities, Injuries, and Damage Reports in the United States - National Lightning Safety Institute)

 

[rambone]

I like Indiana just fine

Analogy:
Odds of getting struck by lightning in a given year = approx. 1 in 1,000,000
Odds of getting stuck by lightning in Indiana are 6 times LESS likely than in Florida (Lightning Fatalities, Injuries, and Damage Reports in the United States - National Lightning Safety Institute)

Heh. So when lightning does strike in Florida, it is due to the rise of people leaving Florida.

 

[steveh_131]

So, it APPEARS that while you may have a 1:2,000,000 chance of contracting the disease strictly "by the numbers" (using your numbers above), there may be a HUGE skew if you look at the un-vaccinated crowd.

Analogy:
Odds of getting struck by lightning in a given year = approx. 1 in 1,000,000
Odds of getting stuck by lightning in Indiana are 6 times LESS likely than in Florida (Lightning Fatalities, Injuries, and Damage Reports in the United States - National Lightning Safety Institute)

This is very true. Here's some more stats on this year's cases:

From January 1 through June 17 this year, 156 confirmed cases of measles were reported to the CDC. Most cases (136) were associated with importations from measles-endemic countries or countries in which large outbreaks are occurring. The imported cases involved unvaccinated US residents who recently traveled abroad, unvaccinated visitors to the United States, and people linked to these imported cases.

To date, 12 outbreaks (3 or more linked cases) have occurred, accounting for 47% of the 156 cases. Of the total case-patients, 133 (85%) were unvaccinated or had undocumented vaccination status. Of the 139 case-patients who were US residents, 86 (62%) were unvaccinated, 30 (22%) had undocumented vaccination status, 11 (8%) had received 1 dose of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine, 11 (8%) had received 2 MMR doses, and 1 (1%) had received 3 documented MMR doses.

Almost all of these cases were linked to overseas travel, introducing even more variables to the equation.

In addition, I would be curious to know the reasons behind the lack of vaccination in these incidents. Is it because the parents are informed and educated and provide their kids with a proper diet and naturally healthy lifestyle? Or is it because they don't bother taking care of their kids, probably feed them garbage, don't clean their house and promote an unhealthy lifestyle?

These factors all contribute greatly to the effectiveness of the immune system as well and could be a potential reason for the correlation we see.

 

[turnandshoot4]

The Pharma industry revolves around using correlation instead of causation as scientific evidence.

There if a fool born every minute. If you don't think for yourself then someone will gladly scare you into a decision.

Your problem isn't with big pharm. They are a business doing what businesses do. People are stupid. You will never change that.

 

[rambone]

There if a fool born every minute. If you don't think for yourself then someone will gladly scare you into a decision.

Agreed. The experts at Mayo Clinic are starting to sound like sensationalist forum posters.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Measles are getting a bad rap!

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Yay, measles!

https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/break_room/166562-new_weapon_vs_cancer_measles.html

 

[Expat]

Wow, this is really a conundrum... follow the advice of the Mayo Clinic, CDC, NIH, almost every doctor in the country or some guys on INGO. I really don't know which side to come down on this one.

 

[steveh_131]

Wow, this is really a conundrum... follow the advice of the Mayo Clinic, CDC, NIH, almost every doctor in the country or some guys on INGO. I really don't know which side to come down on this one.

Or you could, I don't know, think for yourself?

Just putting that out there.

 

[Expat]

Or you could, I don't know, think for yourself?

Just putting that out there.

Most people gather information from different sources, review that information, give it weight based upon the credentials of the people providing the information. I know that seems to be a novel concept for the tinfoil hat crowd.

Just putting that out there for you.

 

[hooky]

I watched my daughter go from a talking, giggling, little ball of orneriness to a sunken eyed, introspective, anti social lump within days of her vaccines at 19 months. I really don't give two shakes what NIH, CDC or any of the other alphabet agencies want to proclaim. It will be a cold day before either of my kids get another vaccination.

Just putting that out there for me.