Saw a guy get kicked out for oc

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[Bushido Devil Dog]

Question answered, but got rep for the pic, so by popular request...


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[public servant]

]Please skool us...

Who was it that went to the "college carry" event a few years back with a huge poster with "school" spelled like this???

 

[GBuck]

Bill writes the best letters.. Bill, are you sure you're not a lawyer?

 

[indysims]

I was a doorman/bouncer/bartender for several years. If you're asked to leave a bar, just leave. It never works out for the person asked to leave. Right or wrong, I've seen things escalate beyond what either side would have ever wanted. The heat of moment can make things happen that can't be taken back and can cost dearly. Keep your head, manage your anger, and call/write/visit the manager/owner to explain your problem the next day. I've seen people that would have killed me and my co-workers if they could because we kicked them out 10 minutes before close, and on the other side, I've seen patrons kicked out unfairly for nothing... regardless of right or wrong it's always best to move on.

 

[armedindy]

I was a doorman/bouncer/bartender for several years. If you're asked to leave a bar, just leave. It never works out for the person asked to leave. Right or wrong, I've seen things escalate beyond what either side would have ever wanted. The heat of moment can make things happen that can't be taken back and can cost dearly. Keep your head, manage your anger, and call/write/visit the manager/owner to explain your problem the next day. I've seen people that would have killed me and my co-workers if they could because we kicked them out 10 minutes before close, and on the other side, I've seen patrons kicked out unfairly for nothing... regardless of right or wrong it's always best to move on.

i agree, and thats exactly what happened....its just a shame that they humiliated this guy in front of other people, and they dont even have a sign up that couldve helped avoid the situation all together

 

[Bang-bang]

Please don't do this. Writing management or ownership a polite, courteous, letter or, if you cool down first, doing the same thing by phone, is far better and paints a much better picture of gun owners in general. When you go out and disarm, then return and go off on the guy, you just confirm that you're an emotional, angry person that many would say, "doesn't need to have a gun". This image is worsened when you post negatives everywhere (especially if you post the real reason for your displeasure), and then looking for vindictive retaliation and revenge only seals that image permanently in the minds of anyone who might be "on the fence" as to the mental stability of gun owners.

Now... I didn't say not to be angry. I didn't say not to express yourself. I just said to do it with the very dignity that you feel has been insulted by their actions. A little checking online or an anonymous, civil phone call (maybe made by a neutral, third party) will get you the owner's name.

Address the letter to that person at the business address. Add the words, "Personal and confidential" to the outside of the envelope.

I think you'll find that this goes much, much farther than angrily getting in a bartender's face or attempting to (possibly illegally) sabotage the business. Obviously, you'll need to modify it as appropriate, should you ever be the one in this situation. Anger is rarely our friend.

Good luck.

Blessings,
Bill

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Clear and to the point, this does beat slashing his tires! (good job)

 

[iChokePeople]

I would have asserted my rights and my freedom by stripping naked, squirting ketchup (or whatever sauce was readily available on the tables) all over myself, and lying still on the floor humming "Wake me up before you go go" until they carried me out. Maybe a little William Wallace rhetoric thrown in for good measure.

 

[Bill of Rights]

O.K., so that's 20 pushups for BoR. BoR you have to shout "objective case" and "reflexive pronoun" while doing your press ups.

Kirk, with all due respect... Bite my toenail.

WTF??? You should have gotten all up in his face drill instructor style for calling you out...

Had he been incorrect, maybe.

Bill writes the best letters.. Bill, are you sure you're not a lawyer?

Let me check....

Yep. I'm sure.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[jsharmon7]

if some random employee were to yell at me...I'd be pretty PO..........i'd take my gun out to my car, and come right back in and get in his face drill instructor style....then write the owners about their employees, post every possible negative review anywhere that I could, and look for any other possible means to F**k with them and their business......

No you wouldn't...

Besides, that's nothing compared to what I'd do. I'd tactical roll back into the bar and backslap the bartender for having the audacity to speak to me. When those nancy boy bouncers came up to me I'd start handing out roundhouse kicks to the temple like candy on Halloween. If anybody else so much as made a comment in my general direction I'd track down their mothers and tell them what an awful child they raised, and then do a burnout in their flower bed. NOBODY talks back to me...

 

[Bill of Rights]

No you wouldn't...

Besides, that's nothing compared to what I'd do. I'd tactical roll back into the bar and backslap the bartender for having the audacity to speak to me. When those nancy boy bouncers came up to me I'd start handing out roundhouse kicks to the temple like candy on Halloween. If anybody else so much as made a comment in my general direction I'd track down their mothers and tell them what an awful child they raised, and then do a burnout in their flower bed. NOBODY talks back to me...

Forgot your purple.

 

[jsharmon7]

Forgot your purple.

I'm fresh out.

 

[SideArmed]

.... I'd track down their mothers and tell them what an awful child they raised,...

I have really got to remember that one.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I would have asserted my rights and my freedom by stripping naked, squirting ketchup (or whatever sauce was readily available on the tables) all over myself, and lying still on the floor humming "Wake me up before you go go" until they carried me out. Maybe a little William Wallace rhetoric thrown in for good measure.

I see you have attended a bond revocation hearing in Tippecanoe County.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I wouldn't even go through the trouble of writing a letter. Bartenders are the most trusted employees in a bars. Bartenders regularly yell, scream, and have patrons tossed out for a variety of reasons... OCing in a bar, c'mon seriously? You think a letter will change anything? Heck the bartender might get an extra perk of two for throwing out the guy.
I'll be honest, this is one of those times that "out of sight out of mind" comes into play. There's no way in hell I would frequent a dedicated bar where people OC. I'd rather not know. Alcohol/Guns, no bueno.

 

[GBuck]

Kirk, with all due respect... Bite my toenail.

Let me check....

Yep. I'm sure.

I'd track down their mothers and tell them what an awful child they raised, and then do a burnout in their flower bed.

I see you have attended a bond revocation hearing in Tippecanoe County.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I wouldn't even go through the trouble of writing a letter. Bartenders are the most trusted employees in a bars. Bartenders regularly yell, scream, and have patrons tossed out for a variety of reasons... OCing in a bar, c'mon seriously? You think a letter will change anything? Heck the bartender might get an extra perk of two for throwing out the guy.
I'll be honest, this is one of those times that "out of sight out of mind" comes into play. There's no way in hell I would frequent a dedicated bar where people OC. I'd rather not know. Alcohol/Guns, no bueno.

Kutnupe, I am in no way intending an insult here. This attitude reminds me of

I don't disagree with what I understand your point to be about alcohol & guns, however I do with the meaning as stated. I could put my pistol on a shelf in a bar and alone, it would cause no harm. I don't drink, but for someone who does and is in control of himself, the mixture of the two would also be no problem. The problem arises when the person with the gun is not in control of himself, and by and large, those of us who hold LTCHs are the former type, not the latter. Given that a person OCing is not very likely to be doing so unlawfully, if I had to choose one or the other, I'd choose the OCer over the CCer. If I don't have to make that artificial choice, I'd just prefer everyone who does not have ill intent be carrying... or at the very least, not be prohibited by some arbitrary rule or law preventing it, because let's be honest... the only thing keeping those with ill intent from carrying is their personal choice or whim, and I'm not willing to trust my life to something that nebulous or fickle.

Blessings,
Bill
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[the1kidd03]

in my first post...my point of taking the firearm out to the car was to have the opportunity to allow for a "cool down" period...and not to be perceived as a deadly threat....my 'retaliation" would have nothing to do with being "emotionally unstable" although that's another topic all in its own..............

I treat EVERY man with the equal level of respect they give me....i don't care who he is, where he's from, what position he holds, or what clothes he wears....he bleeds red just like I do....if the President did something F***ed up if front of me, I'd call him out on it just like anyone else......had this guy asked me to leave nicely first and not started off yelling like I was some child....then I would have respecfully left....and dropped the issue..however, if he came out of the gate yelling and acting like an idiot....if you learn anything in the corps...it's 1. how to be respectful and 2. how to "handle" those who are acting in the wrong..........and so I'm not afraid to call him out on his actions

like many of you, I have/have had many friends in the bar and bouncing business and I'm fully aware of what happens.....however, I'm not that idiot that gets drunk and picks a fight either.....I simply will call someone out and belittle them in front of everyone (and usually on a worse level) just as they are doing to me at that time = Equal respect..........that guy who calls someone out for doing something stupid, blocking the other lane when everyone tries to pass the line because they feel they are more important, or the one who everyone thinks is an a**hole even though you generally agree with his POV/what he says.......yeah, I am THAT a**hole......just because the majority of people do things that are widely deemed "wrong," doesn't make them any less "wrong"...and unlike the majority of people who are afraid of their own shadow, let alone calling someone out on doing something that eveyone thinks they shouldn't............I am not afraid to do so

I block lanes when people try to get by the line, I call out people "jaywalking" without checking for traffic turning and almost get run over, I park in a lane next to a double parked car as close to inside my lines as possible and on the other driver's side(also writing their LP down before I leave), and i've even been that guy who blocks in motorcycles parked in handicap spots and wait for the rider to come out and make them look/feel like a selfish douche in front of everyone around

lessons in humility go a long way for most people, when made to feel like an idiot in front of dozens of people they don't know, chances are they won't do it again ..if people didn't have to be so selfish/stupid...I wouldn't have to be an a**hole.............many of you may not agree with my methods...and that's fine as it is your opinion, and I have mine

 

[the1kidd03]

I also don't agree with OC'ing in a bar....you're simply asking for trouble...and not helping to promote a pro-carry attitude with general public......kind of gives an "oh great, a drunk gun nut" idea to people

 

[Kutnupe14]

Kutnupe, I am in no way intending an insult here. This attitude reminds me of

I don't disagree with what I understand your point to be about alcohol & guns, however I do with the meaning as stated. I could put my pistol on a shelf in a bar and alone, it would cause no harm. I don't drink, but for someone who does and is in control of himself, the mixture of the two would also be no problem. The problem arises when the person with the gun is not in control of himself, and by and large, those of us who hold LTCHs are the former type, not the latter. Given that a person OCing is not very likely to be doing so unlawfully, if I had to choose one or the other, I'd choose the OCer over the CCer. If I don't have to make that artificial choice, I'd just prefer everyone who does not have ill intent be carrying... or at the very least, not be prohibited by some arbitrary rule or law preventing it, because let's be honest... the only thing keeping those with ill intent from carrying is their personal choice or whim, and I'm not willing to trust my life to something that nebulous or fickle.

Blessings,
Bill
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The picture is exactly what I am saying.
There are three types of people that are typically un-attached from reality... mental cases, people that are high, and people that are drunk.
If someone OC's in a bar, I will immediately have to focus my attention, from whatever I'm doing, to the person carrying.
It's not that the person carrying maybe a threat, but he has just present a weapon in plain view to every other person in the bar. Persons where the possibility of them being drunk, high, or mental is increased exponentially.
Some of the most abrasive, inquisitive, and odd person you'll ever find are in bars. Tom foolery and horseplay (Damn, I sound like my old football coach) are common.... so now let's introduce a gun into the mix? Whew, no way.
If a guy OC's in a bar, I'm leaving.