Cops Taking Your Gun.

[Tripp11]

i'm glad you fear them.. that's probably what some of them are hoping for!

I really can't believe what I'm reading from you.

Does any professional LEO on this board want the masses to FEAR them? I hope the hell not.

RESPECT them? Sure. I would bet that would be a goal of a LEO, but not to fear them.

 

[the1kidd03]

Simply wearing a badge doen't make them deserving of the authority granted to them. LEO's are flawed just as anyone else.

 

[the1kidd03]

NOT AT ALL, meet me and you'd understand. i'm simply letting you know we all have our openions and everyone can flex a law. this is where cooperation and disaster come into hand. i am speaking as for several, just made me look like the bad guy. but it's fine, it's just a different way for everyone to see what you're up against.

Officers like this make me glad that I know a GOOD attorney and carry digital recorder(s) on me. Oh, and give everyone else with a badge a bad name. Thus, destroying relationships with their communities.

 

[cobber]

I DO KNOW THE LAWS... As a detective following up on your arrest, I'd write a search warrant for your property for other guns and additional ammo, seize everyting as evidence, and make you go to court to recover them. So it's always best to play nice. It really makes life simpler.

blah blah.. need i keep going?

Er, did you forget the part about the neutral magistrate finding PC and approving said warrant? So far in the USA the police don't simply write their own warrants.

And when the judge finds out you got the warrant just to get up some citizen's nose...? I wouldn't want to be on the low end of the bench on that one.

 

[Rookie]

I know if Liberty Sanders saw this he would chime in.

I would love to see other officers stand up and say, "IF you are actually an officer, than you are an embarrassment to our profession, and I'm sorry there's actually people like you."

 

[Booya]

nothing wrong with asking, every officer has a way of doing 'his business'
like it or not.. he's the one with a badge..
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NOT AT ALL, meet me and you'd understand. i'm simply letting you know we all have our openions and everyone can flex a law. this is where cooperation and disaster come into hand. i am speaking as for several, just made me look like the bad guy. but it's fine, it's just a different way for everyone to see what you're up against.

Your words. Not ours.

 

[Tripp11]

i'm glad you fear them.. that's probably what some of them are hoping for!

I really can't believe what I'm reading from you.

Does any professional LEO on this board want the masses to FEAR them? I hope the hell not.

RESPECT them? Sure. I would bet that would be a goal of a LEO, but not to fear them.

Alright, I couldn't just let the "you better fear me" post go.

I called one of my good friends who so happens to be an IMPD Detective, and I asked him if any officer he knows wants to be feared by the public.

He quickly said, "If the public fears an officer, that officer is doing their job wrong."

 

[jgreiner]

I DO KNOW THE LAWS, and no i am not readin you any. i'm simply telling you first hand experince and simply letting you know no matter how tough you act or try to stand your ground to an officer there are ways around everything. no i'm not 'joking'.


Armor piercing rounds are against the law everywhere in the US. You might be able to OWN them, but you can't carry them. Not only will you get arrested, but your gun will be seized and most likely destroyed. As a detective following up on your arrest, I'd write a search warrant for your property for other guns and additional ammo, seize everyting as evidence, and make you go to court to recover them. So it's always best to play nice. It really makes life simpler.

blah blah.. need i keep going?

Cops like this (and you, if you really are one) are why we need to:

1: INFORM ourselves of the pertinent gun laws
2: Know the names and phone numbers of SEVERAL good 2nd amendment lawyers.
3: Have laws on the books that allow we the citizenry to FIRE upon cops that are illegally entering our homes.
4: Report all cops that walk around with this kind of attitude and harass citizens.

 

[IndyDave1776]

NOT AT ALL, meet me and you'd understand. i'm simply letting you know we all have our openions and everyone can flex a law. this is where cooperation and disaster come into hand. i am speaking as for several, just made me look like the bad guy. but it's fine, it's just a different way for everyone to see what you're up against.

You sure don't need anyone else's help to look like a bad guy. For yours style of law enforcement, I would recommend finding a job in the Democratic Peoples' Republic of North Korea. Your style would fit right in there!

 

[KG1]

Your words. Not ours.

Add this one to your list of quotes that he punctuated with a grin.

no.. that's how you make it out to sound. i was just giving you an example of what i can do.. and you'd just have to get over it.

 

[jgreiner]

Alright, I couldn't just let the "you better fear me" post go.

I called one of my good friends who so happens to be an IMPD Detective, and I asked him if any officer he knows wants to be feared by the public.

He quickly said, "If the public fears an officer, that officer is doing their job wrong."

A friggen men.

 

[AndersonIN]

THard6: Thanks for answering the age old question............How detectives got their nickname!

If I remember right that's why we have the 2nd Amendment in the first place because of government people such as yourself.

I'd be surprised if you were a mall cop much less a detective.

 

[DragonGunner]

I DO KNOW THE LAWS, and no i am not readin you any. i'm simply telling you first hand experince and simply letting you know no matter how tough you act or try to stand your ground to an officer there are ways around everything. no i'm not 'joking'.


Armor piercing rounds are against the law everywhere in the US. You might be able to OWN them, but you can't carry them. Not only will you get arrested, but your gun will be seized and most likely destroyed. As a detective following up on your arrest, I'd write a search warrant for your property for other guns and additional ammo, seize everyting as evidence, and make you go to court to recover them. So it's always best to play nice. It really makes life simpler.

blah blah.. need i keep going?

Why was AP ammo brought up.....?.....is this what you spend your time on as a "detective" worrying if that OC guy might have some.....?

 

[IndyDave1776]

Why was AP ammo brought up.....?.....is this what you spend your time on as a "detective" worrying if that OC guy might have some.....?

Maybe he thinks the purpose of a detective is to invent problems to generate intimidation points for the department and revenue for the county.

 

[the1kidd03]

Why was AP ammo brought up.....?.....is this what you spend your time on as a "detective" worrying if that OC guy might have some.....?

Maybe he thinks the purpose of a detective is to invent problems to generate intimidation points for the department and revenue for the county.

Or he's watched Lethal Weapon 3 too many times

 

[KG1]

Why was AP ammo brought up.....?.....is this what you spend your time on as a "detective" worrying if that OC guy might have some.....?

Could be just another reason in his bag of tricks to try and justify hassling OC'rs and taking possession of their firearms so he can check for illegal ammunition along with running the numbers.

Anythings possible with this guy reading some of the posts he's made.

 

[kludge]

Do you have a reference to law/case law that says open carrying is probable cause for a stop? (I know most states it isn't, but don't know specifically about Indiana.)

IC 35-47-2-1
Carrying a handgun without being licensed; exceptions; person convicted of domestic battery
Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsections (b) and (c) and section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any vehicle or on or about the person's body without being licensed under this chapter to carry a handgun.


Per the quoted code open or concealed carry is illegal. The exception is if you have a LTCH, which allows the LEO to stop anyone carrying and ask to see the LTCH.

Kind of like speeding is against the law. An exception is emergency vehicles while running flashing lights. If you are speeding, and you are not an emergency vehicle with flashing lights, an LEO can pull you over.

Other state's laws (so called "open carry" states) have laws for carrying a concealed weapon on your person. Their law is silent on the issue of open carry, therefore open carry is not RS or PC of a crime being committed. Since Indiana law does not specify the mode of carry, ANY carry of a handgun is illegal without a license, and therefore it is RS or PC for a stop.

 

[Indy Wing Chun]

IC 35-47-2-1
Carrying a handgun without being licensed; exceptions; person convicted of domestic battery
Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsections (b) and (c) and section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any vehicle or on or about the person's body without being licensed under this chapter to carry a handgun.


Per the quoted code open or concealed carry is illegal. The exception is if you have a LTCH, which allows the LEO to stop anyone carrying and ask to see the LTCH.

Kind of like speeding is against the law. An exception is emergency vehicles while running flashing lights. If you are speeding, and you are not an emergency vehicle with flashing lights, an LEO can pull you over.

Other state's laws (so called "open carry" states) have laws for carrying a concealed weapon on your person. Their law is silent on the issue of open carry, therefore open carry is not RS or PC of a crime being committed. Since Indiana law does not specify the mode of carry, ANY carry of a handgun is illegal without a license, and therefore it is RS or PC for a stop.

Yes, but driving w/o a valid driver's license is against the law too, but a LEO can't just pull you over to check your DL.

 

[littletommy]

put yourself in the officers shoes. end of story i'd take it from you and then let you load it when i leave. don't get mad if i empty your clip. and also with the number of stolen guns they may have just been running it to make sure it's clean.. and you can complain all you want.. just hope you don't live in that county. you might find yourself getting pulled over often. and if you have nothing "wrong" then why not let the officer check it out....

I'm not a cop, I have my own set of problems I deal with everyday. I will not put myself in his shoes, he chose his profession, and I don't care what his concerns are.

Have a nice day!

 

[IndyDave1776]

IC 35-47-2-1
Carrying a handgun without being licensed; exceptions; person convicted of domestic battery
Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsections (b) and (c) and section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any vehicle or on or about the person's body without being licensed under this chapter to carry a handgun.


Per the quoted code open or concealed carry is illegal. The exception is if you have a LTCH, which allows the LEO to stop anyone carrying and ask to see the LTCH.

Kind of like speeding is against the law. An exception is emergency vehicles while running flashing lights. If you are speeding, and you are not an emergency vehicle with flashing lights, an LEO can pull you over.

Other state's laws (so called "open carry" states) have laws for carrying a concealed weapon on your person. Their law is silent on the issue of open carry, therefore open carry is not RS or PC of a crime being committed. Since Indiana law does not specify the mode of carry, ANY carry of a handgun is illegal without a license, and therefore it is RS or PC for a stop.

By that standard, wouldn't operating an automobile be PC for a stop since it is illegal to do so without a license?