Possiblity of new firearms act in the UK

[netsecurity]

Yipes. So how would Scotish independence help gun control issues if Scotland's main political parties are all anti-gunners? That won't change.

You would need a whole new party, similar to our Libertarian party perhaps. You'd need decades of education in school rooms and on the streets about proper gun safety. I've often thought that if our Libertarian party were in Britain it would be accepted, and only fails here since it is a two party system (that, and that it is full of anarchists and isolationists).

Do British people by and large really think that they are safer with their guns laws? What about those youth gang riots? The gangs seem to get guns all the time, and run the streets as they wish, and no one stands up and says enough is enough (except that pensioner in that one movie heh).

 

[Mark-of-Scotland]

Wow. I wouldn't have guesses the SNP would be liberal. Sorry to say this but it sounds like you're doomed.

This would be like the the 3 main parties of the US being the Green Party, Socialist Party, and Democratic Party.

Yes we live in what amounts to a one party state. Same end goals but different ways of going about them with a different favored people for each party. The SNP/Liberal democrats favors scottish people/immigrants respectivly, The Labor party Favors left wing/socialist trade unions and their members and the Conservative party favors the upper classes and large businesses.

I tell folk we live in a dictatorship and they think i wear foil hats on my days off...

 

[Mark-of-Scotland]

Yipes. So how would Scotish independence help gun control issues if Scotland's main political parties are all anti-gunners? That won't change.

You would need a whole new party, similar to our Libertarian party perhaps. You'd need decades of education in school rooms and on the streets about proper gun safety. I've often thought that if our Libertarian party were in Britain it would be accepted, and only fails here since it is a two party system (that, and that it is full of anarchists and isolationists).

Do British people by and large really think that they are safer with their guns laws? What about those youth gang riots? The gangs seem to get guns all the time, and run the streets as they wish, and no one stands up and says enough is enough (except that pensioner in that one movie heh).

If we gain independence the majority party would be SNP and they would have full control. The way they plan on running Scotland (or at least the way they SAY they will run it) would make it easier for the Scottish population to have a greater amount of power in regards to new laws.

Regarding the years of education in school and on the streets...guns are banned and the majority of school kids and street thugs already know all about gun safety...which is kind of the problem if you see my point.
British people don't feel safer without their guns. Bladed weapon assaults are very common here and they produce a lot more fear than a gun does to most people.
however you will rarely find anyone willing to open their mouths and speak about the issues because of the attitude of the liberals here. If you disagree with them the first response is to shout Racist, Nazi or capitalist/class traitor at you.

I remember about 3 years ago after a teenager shot a child with an air rifle I was standing talking to a liberal at a stall demanding the complete ban on all weapons from BB guns and air rifles straight through to pest control equipment. When i mentioned my support for the decriminalization of handguns he shouted at me words i will never forget. in the middle of the street on a busy Saturday when everyone was out shopping in the center of town He called me a Nazi and said that i only want guns so that i can kill gays and Jews without getting into trouble. I was utterly mortified and incredibly angry. When i told him to think about the idiocy of what he just said, that legalizing handguns would not make the murder of gays and Jews legal he answered by spitting on my face and punching me on the side of my face so hard i was sent sprawling to the ground.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

No offense taken earlier, probably my fault for not accommodating cultural differences.

There is always a French guy we can ALL make fun of, so there is always that!

(Sorry Sylvain)

 

[Mark-of-Scotland]

No offense taken earlier, probably my fault for not accommodating cultural differences.

There is always a French guy we can ALL make fun of, so there is always that!

(Sorry Sylvain)

...you get rep for the french comment.

Ahh the French...look at parkour, a hilarious example of them. Only they could turn running away into a sport.

I have no idea who Sylvain is but sorry anyway, it's all in jest after all. Please feel free to call me a long haired, tight fisted alcoholic cross dresser if it makes you feel better after the parkour comment.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Sylvain is a good guy and even sticks around when all the rednecks make fun of French military weapons- never fired, only dropped once

 

[thebishopp]

Surprisingly if you throw something fast, often and hard enough at our politicians close to an election they cave and give you what you want. It's after that they try and u-turn and take it away again but they would face severe opposition with this. A population realizing that for the first time in 15 years it has the ability to protect itself and feel safer walking the streets being told that they have to go back to being defenseless and scared. I don't think even our corrupt politicians wish to face the sort of PR disaster such a decision would create.

But as i said, hit them close to an election and they WILL cave.
After the issue has been forced by law to be debated in parliament it will gather significant media attention such as our previous attempt to re-establish capital punishment. That didn't even make it to the debate and it already had nationwide media coverage.

on a side note I noticed death before dishonour under your name so I'm just wondering if your a fan of the Boston band or the Album by Scottish Oi band The Exploited.

I hope that works, just not to optimistic about it. I see no reasons why a government who has worked so hard to get you disarmed is going to suddenly allow you to have that right again. Note that I am not being a "negative nancy" and fully encourage you to fight in whatever way you think is best.

Lol "death before dishonor" is more of a military thing. I am ex-army. I am familiar with Boston but have not heard of The Exploited. I will have to check them out.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I think they merged into or became Plaid Cymru the largest welsh nationalist party in wales. I'll ask the Welshie at work. He'll be surprised someone outside of wales knows anything about welsh history haha

Plaid was around before the Welsh Free Army and the like. The Plaids still exist.

Be surprised that we know Welsh history? Ummm, this is INGO, the hive mind knows a lot of stuff, some of it even useful.

I know a number of SNP members and it's more than just rhetoric it's sheer unadulterated hatred. The politicians engage in rhetoric while the members and supporters spew forth vitriol.

Look, they are talking so we know they aren't doing anything. If they do not talk they might be working (working? in Europe, lol).

Besides if they do anything London will just up their welfare checks and they'll be able to buy more booze and too drunk to do anything. The English have been keeping the Scots in line for a long time. SNP is nothing but drunken wannabes who are babbling about how Scots invented the kilt or some such nonsense.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I see no reasons why a government who has worked so hard to get you disarmed is going to suddenly allow you to have that right again.

It usually isn't sudden. But the weapon laws ebb and flow throughout the history of the British Isles. Bans are enforced with death, then a fine, then legalized. It has happened over and over there.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

It has taken several hundred years and multiple revolutions to get British subjects where they are- expect the same to get you back to where you should be.

You have a tremendous uphill battle to see change within your lifetime- you must change the fundamental view of the public.

 

[Mark-of-Scotland]

It usually isn't sudden. But the weapon laws ebb and flow throughout the history of the British Isles. Bans are enforced with death, then a fine, then legalized. It has happened over and over there.

Actually the last large scale outlawing of firearms was very sudden.
On 13 March 1996 depraved child rapist Thomas Hamilton walked into a Primary School and slaughtered 16 children aged 5 and the teacher who gave her life to protect them before doing the world a favor and shooting himself in the head because he was a coward who could not face justice.

Shortly after the 1st of May 1997 general election the newly elected Labour party (that's the one staffed by ex members of the communist party and former members of the young communist league)[STRIKE]war criminal and traitor in chief[/STRIKE] i mean prime minister Tony Blair [STRIKE]betrayed his country and people by making them defenseless and easy targets for his corrupt dictatorial government[/STRIKE] i mean made Britain a safer nation by taking away all those nasty guns that make good people do bad things.

14 months from legal ownership to complete ban. No one opposed the handgun ban so soon after the massacre. Years later some politicians (who subsequently mysteriously lost their positions after various accountancy errors and the like were suddenly discovered) came out and said they did privately oppose the ban but could not publicly oppose it for fear of being seen as at worst endorsing and supporting the tragedy and at best as turning a blind eye to it.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Actually the last large scale outlawing of firearms was very sudden.

No, it was not sudden. The outlawing of handguns after Dunblane took over a year. Not so sudden.

The British Isles has a history of banning and then re-legalising arms.

 

[CathyInBlue]

You could always do what my Scots ancestors did. They backed Mary, Queen of Scots. After Culloden, they were given a choice by Elizabeth. Leave or die. We came to America and never looked back.

 

[Mark-of-Scotland]

You could always do what my Scots ancestors did. They backed Mary, Queen of Scots. After Culloden, they were given a choice by Elizabeth. Leave or die. We came to America and never looked back.

I'll never leave my homeland.
This is my country, it belongs to me and it's my duty to ensure that i do everything i can to protect it and it's people.

 

[Liberty1911]

I'll never leave my homeland.
This is my country, it belongs to me and it's my duty to ensure that i do everything i can to protect it and it's people.

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[SmileDocHill]

I remember about 3 years ago after a teenager shot a child with an air rifle I was standing talking to a liberal at a stall demanding the complete ban on all weapons from BB guns and air rifles straight through to pest control equipment. When i mentioned my support for the decriminalization of handguns he shouted at me words i will never forget. in the middle of the street on a busy Saturday when everyone was out shopping in the center of town He called me a Nazi and said that i only want guns so that i can kill gays and Jews without getting into trouble. I was utterly mortified and incredibly angry. When i told him to think about the idiocy of what he just said, that legalizing handguns would not make the murder of gays and Jews legal he answered by spitting on my face and punching me on the side of my face so hard i was sent sprawling to the ground.

In the US that is assault battery and likely even slander??? How is this guy walking the streets? I guess if he has the impression that his fellow man is as mature as he is I can see why he doesn't trust them with weapons. That reads like a fight you would break up with a middle school girl involved. WOW

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

You could always do what my Scots ancestors did. They backed Mary, Queen of Scots. After Culloden, they were given a choice by Elizabeth. Leave or die. We came to America and never looked back.

Your relatives weren't Pyree's were they?

According to family lore, some relative was forced to leave Scotland years ago for political reasons....eventually winding up in North Carolina.

 

[CathyInBlue]

I'll never leave my homeland.
This is my country, it belongs to me and it's my duty to ensure that i do everything i can to protect it and it's people.

It's not like my ancestors had a real choice. It was the ship across the water or the sword across the neck. I'm generally derisive of refugees who leave their homeland to come to America just because they don't like the way their homeland is being run, but there's a clear exception for people fleeing lethal persecution.

In the US that is assault battery and likely even slander??? How is this guy walking the streets? I guess if he has the impression that his fellow man is as mature as he is I can see why he doesn't trust them with weapons. That reads like a fight you would break up with a middle school girl involved. WOW

"An armed society is a polite society." -- R. A. Heinlein. I believe such a reaction in America is far less likely than that reaction in G.B., simply because in G.B., the uncultured sassenachs know the likelihood of being drawn down on in self-defense is nil, while the American hoodlum is more likely to fear the armed victim and be, if not more polite, then less of an anal sphincter, to the people they disagree with.

Your relatives weren't Pyree's were they?

That name does not ring a bell. I don't even know what our clan name might have been. My mother tried telling me it was Clan Culloden, but I only know that name as the place where Bonnie Prince Charlie got spanked, not a clan name. My people came down through New England and just kept migrating west over the generations until we hit the western limit of Indiana and said, "Nope. This is far enough. No further."

 

[printcraft]

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[Mark-of-Scotland]

In the US that is assault battery and likely even slander??? How is this guy walking the streets? I guess if he has the impression that his fellow man is as mature as he is I can see why he doesn't trust them with weapons. That reads like a fight you would break up with a middle school girl involved. WOW

It's assault and battery here as well but it's pointless for me to try and charge him. He was working a stall operated by a government funded pressure/protest group who have the sole aim of destroying any attempts by oppositional parties or groups from forming or holding demonstrations/protests/meetings of speaking to the public.

Founded by a convicted criminal (assault, mail theft, breaking and entering) Their members have been known to carry out hammer, arson and petrol bomb attacks on anti-government Individuals, Groups and Organizations. Ironically they consider themselves to be anti-government rebels and revolutionaries despite the fact that their groups entire existence is to shut down and stop any opposition towards the government.