Gun Control Bill in Indiana slipped quietly into the House Committee

[joale]

This line would make every semi auto illegal, " SOURCE: IC 35-31.5-2-24.3; (13)IN1571.1.1. --> SECTION 1. IC 35-31.5-2-24.3 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE AS A NEW SECTION TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2013]: Sec. 24.3. "Automatic weapon" means a weapon that shoots or is designed to shoot more than one (1) shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger."

The Bill appears to have been withdrawn, Maybe some one told the sponsor he's an idiot?

This section only refers to full auto... One trigger pull (single function), multiple bullets... Semi auto would be one trigger pull, one bullet....multiple bullets would require multiple functions (pulls) of the trigger.

 

[PKendall317]

I think we should all write letters to Mr. Smith and tell him he needs to learn the definitions of automatic and semi-automatic, and then politely request that he go jump out in front of a bus.

 

[PKendall317]

And another thing, what the hell is a firearm muffler? I don't know what it is but it could apparently land you an extra 20 years in prison.

 

[PKendall317]

This section only refers to full auto... One trigger pull (single function), multiple bullets... Semi auto would be one trigger pull, one bullet....multiple bullets would require multiple functions (pulls) of the trigger.

While that's the true the next section if applied broadly enough, could mean any semi-automatic firearm that some high school drop out who took shop class could turn into a machine gun.

 

[techres]

1. Any semi-auto is convertable given a rubber band, welding torch and time. Seriously, "convertable" simply mean all.

2. The ban on machineguns is concerning in and of itself. Remember, we cannot have NFA shotguns here because they are banned. A ban on machineguns would not ban illegals ones alone, but all the NFA ones too. That would be BAD.

3. Never ignore what you can flex your muscles over. Never overreact when you want to be stern and not panicky. Instead have a stern look, eyebrows together, when you say, "Let's not go down this road. There's real work to be done."

 

[joale]

While that's the true the next section if applied broadly enough, could mean any semi-automatic firearm that some high school drop out who took shop class could turn into a machine gun.

Sec. 66.3. "Convertible semiautomatic weapon" means a weapon that can be readily restored to shoot more than one (1) shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

Emphasis mine above. Not all semiautos can be restored to full auto as most were never full auto in the first place. That's how I read it...I've been wrong before though...

 

[johnny45]

The First Author of the Bill is "representative" Vernon Smith.

http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/2013/PDF/FISCAL/HB1571.001.pdf

"Representative" Veron Smith is clearly an advocate of limiting the individual right to defense on one's loved ones, one's property, and one's self.

Given his role as chair of the Indiana Black Legislative Caucus, an organization with race and / or skin color as a differentiating factor, some may think him a racist.

If I am mistaken in either of these statements, please tell me how.

 

[PKendall317]

I just looked at Smith's website. There's nothing about guns ANYWHERE on it. Hell, he doesn't even have a section on issues.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I have a very inside source at the Legislature. This bill stands absolutely no chance in Indiana.

 

[johnny45]

What does your inside source say of Senate Bill 97?

 

[Slapstick]

This section only refers to full auto... One trigger pull (single function), multiple bullets... Semi auto would be one trigger pull, one bullet....multiple bullets would require multiple functions (pulls) of the trigger.

Sec. 24.3. "Automatic weapon" means a weapon that shoots or is designed to shoot more than one (1) shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger."

Nope that will be interpreted by over zealous prosecutor's to mean semi-autos and up help by the Courts. In semi auto's you can argue that it's automatic since the person only has to pull the trigger and the gun fires and a new shell loaded in the chamber. Manual to them would mean some interaction of the operator to load a shell. Think bolt or lever gun.

 

[cobber]

without manual reloading

IT looks like his intent is to define semi-autos as automatic weapons for the purposes of Indiana law. Forget the conversion smoke-screen. I suppose you might argue Supremacy Clause, that the fed already covers automatic weapons. However...


Wrote to my State Rep. (Sheila Klinker) opposing this and ANY new gun laws... She actually has a high NRA rating, surprisingly enough.

Already covered the State Senator.

We'll see if this nimrod doesn't pull the bill. Although he's from Gary, under the regime of Karen Freeman-Wilson?


All INGOers need to write their reps, don't just assume this will not get out of committee. And by the way, it's against the fed. and State constitutions, so two strikes on this one!

 

[ar15]

At least this was withdrawn for the time ... Indiana loves their guns ;-)

 

[cobber]

This is seriously getting time in the house? Ridiculous that they're bothering to even discuss it. Just vote it down. If it passes I'll eat my shoes.

Don't count on that promise alone deterring the legislature.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Sec. 24.3. "Automatic weapon" means a weapon that shoots or is designed to shoot more than one (1) shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger."

Nope that will be interpreted by over zealous prosecutor's to mean semi-autos and up help by the Courts. In semi auto's you can argue that it's automatic since the person only has to pull the trigger and the gun fires and a new shell loaded in the chamber. Manual to them would mean some interaction of the operator to load a shell. Think bolt or lever gun.

That is the exact wording of the machinegun clause in the 1934 NFA, so it is unlikely to be misconstrued into all semiautos.

This bill does nothing besides take away an overly regulated, taxed and registered weapon class used by business men and lawyers to kill time on the weekend.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Machine guns are already illegal under Indiana law. I have no idea what the point of this legislation is.

 

[cobber]

That is the exact wording of the machinegun clause in the 1934 NFA, so it is unlikely to be misconstrued into all semiautos.

Except that it would now be State law and subject to interpretation by LE and the State courts as well. Which opens new cans of worms. Indiana courts of appeal have been on an independent course of constitutional jurisprudence recently, so they might choose to throw their own spin on the law.


Which might not be your take above.


Better safe than sorry. Someone needs to tell the rep that the feds already took care of this, if he had been paying attention in the legislature.

 

[Thegeek]

Machine guns are already illegal under Indiana law. I have no idea what the point of this legislation is.

Neither do they....

 

[Excalibur]

Machine guns aren't illegal in Indiana. We are allowed to have NFA items.

 

[printcraft]

Machine guns aren't illegal in Indiana. We are allowed to have NFA items.

Possession without paperwork and stamp and they are illegal.

Just like carrying a handgun in public without a LTCH is illegal.

You must jump through hoops to exercise your Constitutional rights.

Hey, maybe the dipstick lawmakers are confused, I believe they think
the more hoops you jump through, the more exercise you get!