Tennessee rolls out "No Refusal" blood draws

[Titanium_Frost]

Then I'll ask you again. If you were running a covert meth lab while simultaneously locking up and/or shooting drug users, would you feel like a hypocrite?

I mean, you'd still be playing by the same rules as everyone else. If you got caught, you'd do your time. You're willing to play by the same rules you enforce.

Not a hypocrite?

If you hated it so much, then why won't you follow the traffic laws consistently?

Ok... I really wanted to stay out of this portion of the discussion but this really perplexes me. Are you just being obtuse or do you really expect police to be only people who have never ever broken a single law even down to a minor infraction?

Is your point that we have too many stupid laws on the books? If that is the case I think most people (even most cops) would agree with you on that one. However I really believe that what you want is near total anarchy in a world were "the man" doesn't give you a fine for acting like you are the only person on the street.

The simple fact is that we are NOT alone and MUST interact with people on a regular basis. Sure the Internet has come a long way in letting the hermits live in their mom's basements near indefinitely with little to no direct human interaction but when they do venture out into the light there are rules for how they behave whether they like it or not.

No matter where you live there will ALWAYS be some sort of rules telling you how someone else expects you to behave. It could be the teacher in the school, the bully on the playground, Bubba in prison or the government. It does not make every single rule just and righteous but we have to take the good with the bad sometimes and a true mark of adulthood is understanding the balance.

You my friend have not found that balance IMO.

 

[steveh_131]

Ok... I really wanted to stay out of this portion of the discussion but this really perplexes me. Are you just being obtuse or do you really expect police to be only people who have never ever broken a single law even down to a minor infraction?

I think that if these laws are so silly that the cops can't even be bothered to follow them consistently, then they shouldn't enforce them.

 

[Denny347]

I think that if these laws are so silly that the cops can't even be bothered to follow them consistently, then they shouldn't enforce them.

Many don't.

 

[Bowman78]

Many don't.

Which? Enforce or follow them??? I have to say beyond a doubt that most police officers I encounter daily disregard traffic laws..

 

[Lex Concord]

the first 3 words are "I have Probable Cause"..

I know...serious thread, but this made me laugh

 

[MikeDVB]

I think that if these laws are so silly that the cops can't even be bothered to follow them consistently, then they shouldn't enforce them.

Good luck with that. I'll continue to live in the real world while you live in an idealized fantasy world.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

And this is exactly why we need to be extremely conservative about what behaviors we prohibit by the 'rule of law'.

No argument.

Something like the Dickey Flatt test, or would you put your mother in jail for ______.

 

[steveh_131]

Good luck with that. I'll continue to live in the real world while you live in an idealized fantasy world.

Some cops already refuse to enforce silly laws. I think it's great, and I think it should continue.

No argument.

Something like the Dickey Flatt test, or would you put your mother in jail for ______.

We agree!

 

[MikeDVB]

Some cops already refuse to enforce silly laws. I think it's great, and I think it should continue.

So if you work somewhere [not as a law enforcement officer] and where you work has a law that you feel is stupid - you're going to simply blatantly ignore to follow it because you don't like it?

Yeah, sounds really responsible to me.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Which? Enforce or follow them??? I have to say beyond a doubt that most police officers I encounter daily disregard traffic laws..

I work the district that covers the Marion County part of Camby. Feel free to track me down and get me on video disregarding a traffic law. I'll buy you a sammich if you can do it.

 

[bingley]

Guys, I think you want all the police officers to have had at least one traffic ticket. This way they'll be more sympathetic to you when you get a traffic violation!

I don't know why policemen are expected to be saints. After all, they didn't make the law. They just enforce the law as the "muscle" for the Powers That Be, and they get paid for it because it's a job. So who should you expect to be saints? Let me point to the people who actually make the laws. That's who you should focus your attention on.

By the way, I think Blue I's and Denny have been very helpful and patient. They give me a good impression of police officers.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

By the way, I think Blue I's and Denny have been very helpful and patient. They give me a good impression of police officers.

Hear, hear! Our INGO police officers are some of the finest members we have and I only wish there were more just like them on the streets.

 

[steveh_131]

So if you work somewhere [not as a law enforcement officer] and where you work has a law that you feel is stupid - you're going to simply blatantly ignore to follow it because you don't like it?

Yeah, sounds really responsible to me.

Not sure where you're going with this. Maybe give me an example?

I don't know why policemen are expected to be saints. After all, they didn't make the law. They just enforce the law as the "muscle" for the Powers That Be, and they get paid for it because it's a job. So who should you expect to be saints? Let me point to the people who actually make the laws. That's who you should focus your attention on.

I don't expect anyone to be a saint.

I just think it is silly to take money from people by force for breaking laws that you, yourself, are unwilling to consistently comply with.

If the law isn't important enough for you to take seriously, then you shouldn't be harassing others for not taking it seriously.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I work the district that covers the Marion County part of Camby. Feel free to track me down and get me on video disregarding a traffic law. I'll buy you a sammich if you can do it.

What if we have photos and videos of other officers? Can I still get a sandwhich?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Not sure where you're going with this. Maybe give me an example?



I don't expect anyone to be a saint.

I just think it is silly to take money from people by force for breaking laws that you, yourself, are unwilling to consistently comply with.

If the law isn't important enough for you to take seriously, then you shouldn't be harassing others for not taking it seriously.

Here's how I would respond to your quandary...If a police officer drives recklessly and uses his connections to get out of the penalties, then that is hypocrisy. If s/he does this on a continuing basis because s/he knows all s/he has to do is push the right buttons and the system will look the other way or make the problem go away, then s/he is abusing the system. If s/he speeds or runs a stop sign, for whatever reason, pays the fine and moves on, then s/he is just like the rest of us...Either they were foolish, inattentive, in too big a hurry, etc. and they got caught and they were duly punished.

 

[steveh_131]

Here's how I would respond to your quandary...If a police officer drives recklessly and uses his connections to get out of the penalties, then that is hypocrisy. If s/he does this on a continuing basis because s/he knows all s/he has to do is push the right buttons and the system will look the other way or make the problem go away, then s/he is abusing the system. If s/he speeds or runs a stop sign, for whatever reason, pays the fine and moves on, then s/he is just like the rest of us...Either they were foolish, inattentive, in too big a hurry, etc. and they got caught and they were duly punished.

I'm going to propose a simple analogy.

An officer intentionally speeds. He gets caught, pays the price, and goes on with his life speeding while punishing other speeders.

Not hypocrisy.

An officer intentionally manufacturers and distributes meth. He gets caught, does his time, and goes on with his life selling meth while punishing other meth sellers.

Also not hypocrisy?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I'm going to propose a simple analogy.

An officer intentionally speeds. He gets caught, pays the price, and goes on with his life speeding while punishing other speeders.

Not hypocrisy.

An officer intentionally manufacturers and distributes meth. He gets caught, does his time, and goes on with his life selling meth while punishing other meth sellers.

Also not hypocrisy?

That's not the scenario I painted.

 

[Denny347]

I know...serious thread, but this made me laugh

Hahaha, wow, I didn't even proof read that. Amazing.

 

[Denny347]

I'm going to propose a simple analogy.

An officer intentionally speeds. He gets caught, pays the price, and goes on with his life speeding while punishing other speeders.

Not hypocrisy.

An officer intentionally manufacturers and distributes meth. He gets caught, does his time, and goes on with his life selling meth while punishing other meth sellers.

Also not hypocrisy?

One is a crime (a serious felony) and the other is an infraction...not even a crime. NOT THE SAME THING

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

What if we have photos and videos of other officers? Can I still get a sandwhich?

No.